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re: The B1G and SEC want UNC, so who wins the prize?
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:59 am to tide06
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:59 am to tide06
Some of you guys simply are incapable of not letting go of the past and thinking of the future. Someone said “why would you bring in 2 more Vandy’s”. Did you not see Indiana, who was way worse than Vandy or UVA or UNC, completely flip the script? That is the future.
With everyone now being able to use the bagman to buy players ANY school can win. So, now, you have to look at schools with money and who has been oppressed to see what the future will look like. Vandy, UNC, UVA, Indiana types have big time money. Sure, they don’t have 70K stadiums and rabid fanbases yet because the bagman system kept them down while Auburn types won, but the reality is a lot of so called football schools that emerged using bagmen simply can’t financially compete in a fair era. Sure, it’s gonna take a 10 to 20 year period but if the Indiana story hasn’t shown what the future is then I expect a lot of fans to continue to be perplexed.
With everyone now being able to use the bagman to buy players ANY school can win. So, now, you have to look at schools with money and who has been oppressed to see what the future will look like. Vandy, UNC, UVA, Indiana types have big time money. Sure, they don’t have 70K stadiums and rabid fanbases yet because the bagman system kept them down while Auburn types won, but the reality is a lot of so called football schools that emerged using bagmen simply can’t financially compete in a fair era. Sure, it’s gonna take a 10 to 20 year period but if the Indiana story hasn’t shown what the future is then I expect a lot of fans to continue to be perplexed.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:11 am to hogcard1964
quote:NC was 4-8 / 2-6 last year and was not in any of those ACC bowls games -
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What you would be bringing in there are two more Vandy’s
UNC has not won an ACC title since 1982, how do you think they would fare in the SEC?
The SEC was 4-10 last year in bowl games. The ACC was 9-5.
NC is 164-172 in football since the 2000 season - NC has won 10+ games 1 time (2015) since 2000 -
Mack Brown will be the only coach in NC history to ever make them relevant on the gridiron - and they fired him to hire a 74 year old man with a 25 year old adult cheerleader for a girlfriend -
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:25 am to RunningJacket
Again, the question is who makes the other schools money by drawing tv ratings for espn and Fox.
Cultural fit and everything else you mentioned is secondary or Clemson and FSU would’ve had SEC invites long ago.
Cultural fit and everything else you mentioned is secondary or Clemson and FSU would’ve had SEC invites long ago.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:14 am to BuckI
quote:Do not want. They started the Gain of Function research that eventually ended up God knows where all on it was "outlawed" in the US. They be asshoe!
An academic and athletic powerhouse
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Posted on 7/3/26 at 10:43 am to BuckI
In this new era it’s all about matchups for any future SEC add, it’s why I think the only valuable properties not in the B2 are UNC, Miami, FSU and Clemson. ND too, but no way they’d go SEC.
All are in growing and football-rabid areas but more importantly are prime time matchups to so many SEC opponents.
New 4 pods of 5 seems possible in the next major shift while maintaining far more regional matchups than the B10 joke.
Coastal:
Clemson
Florida St
Miami
South Carolina
North Carolina
Core:
Bama
LSU
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
East:
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
Vandy
Kentucky
West:
Texas
Oklahoma
A&M
Mizzou
Arkansas
9 conference games per year, play your pod every year and switch divisions NFL style.
Each pod has at least 2 programs anyone could see winning the conference any given season. A 3rd team who can win it every 2-3rd year. A 4th team who could win it every 4-5th year and a 5th team who has a history of upsets. I’ve ordered them appropriately.
All are in growing and football-rabid areas but more importantly are prime time matchups to so many SEC opponents.
New 4 pods of 5 seems possible in the next major shift while maintaining far more regional matchups than the B10 joke.
Coastal:
Clemson
Florida St
Miami
South Carolina
North Carolina
Core:
Bama
LSU
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
East:
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
Vandy
Kentucky
West:
Texas
Oklahoma
A&M
Mizzou
Arkansas
9 conference games per year, play your pod every year and switch divisions NFL style.
Each pod has at least 2 programs anyone could see winning the conference any given season. A 3rd team who can win it every 2-3rd year. A 4th team who could win it every 4-5th year and a 5th team who has a history of upsets. I’ve ordered them appropriately.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:03 am to Diamondawg
UNC did not start “Gain of Function” genetic-engineering viral research, but Prof. Ralph Baric of UNC was a leading researcher. His major study on a SARS-like virus was not “outlawed.” In 2014 the Obama administration placed a moratorium on gain-of-function research which prevented federal funding of such research, unless approved by a special committee. However, Dr. Baric’s study was allowed to keep their federal funding because it had been approved before the moratorium was put in place. One of that paper’s co-authors was none other than the PRC’s Shi Zhengli, the infamous Chinese “Batwoman”, who later expanded that research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, partially funded by US TAXPAYERS with an NIH grant approved by Dr. Anthony Fauci (who deliberately circumvented the evaluation process normally conducted by the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity) and funneled the money through the EcoHealth Alliance (an NGO) to the Wuhan lab of Shi Zhengli. And we all know the rest of that story…So back to football!
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:07 am to SEC. 593
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flew into Myrtle Beach for a work conference once. My taxi driver from the airport said he was a USC grad.
What's your problem snob? Maybe the driver does gig work because they don't need much money but do need the flexibility.
ANYBODY doing honest work can take pride in that.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 11:10 am to BuckI
We don’t want UNC. We just don’t want LSU. They’re mucking up the place
Posted on 7/3/26 at 12:26 pm to EulerRules
I'm aware of all of that. Still don't want.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 2:41 pm to RunningJacket
Its tough reading these threads sometimes because people don't know what they are talking about.
UNC and UVA would be the clear frontrunners for SEC expansion. Their money and markets would agree. I don't know which two after that, but I know they would make a run at Notre Dame, and it wouldn't be Clemson or Florida State. Miami and Georgia Tech would be massive Big 10 fits academically and provide more optics in the two largest southern markets. To me Clemson and FSU would likely end up in the Big12 if in fact the ACC is the one to go down.
UNC and UVA would be the clear frontrunners for SEC expansion. Their money and markets would agree. I don't know which two after that, but I know they would make a run at Notre Dame, and it wouldn't be Clemson or Florida State. Miami and Georgia Tech would be massive Big 10 fits academically and provide more optics in the two largest southern markets. To me Clemson and FSU would likely end up in the Big12 if in fact the ACC is the one to go down.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 3:33 pm to JCdawg
North Carolina is/was(?) the fastest growing state.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 4:29 pm to JCdawg
If the Big 10 took Maryland and Rutgers, its clear they only care about the TV markets in which schools are located. They don't really even look at whether the school can actually DELIVER much of a share of those markets. From that perspective, NC would look pretty good to them.
Bottom line is that UNC is a very weak football add but a solid addition in every other sense. The SEC should probably invite them if the opportunity arises. I'd look really carefully at adding VT instead of UVA. UVA is like the Illinois of the ACC - mediocre programs poorly supported by the university and lukewarm fans, but great academics.
Bottom line is that UNC is a very weak football add but a solid addition in every other sense. The SEC should probably invite them if the opportunity arises. I'd look really carefully at adding VT instead of UVA. UVA is like the Illinois of the ACC - mediocre programs poorly supported by the university and lukewarm fans, but great academics.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 7:25 pm to Gunny Hartman
I have no dog in the fight but you would have said the same thing about Indiana two years. The future under a payment system is going to be a lot different than the past. The day may come when folks look back at this period of time and say “those guys had a chance to get X but they didn’t to keep Y instead”. I believe the big schools in rural areas have an expiration date under a payment system - they simply don’t have the deep pockets and all payments and coaching being even would I high end player rather live in a rural area or a more populated area. The future will be interesting.
I know if I was a high end player I’d rather play in Miami than any SEC town.
I know if I was a high end player I’d rather play in Miami than any SEC town.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 7:51 pm to RunningJacket
Miami has a lot more opportunities to offer.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:16 pm to JCdawg
Clemson and FSU both have excellent TV ratings, better than at least half of either the SEC or BIG, there ain’t no way in hell either are going to the Big12. Future tv conf money will be largely based on who can draw the most eyes
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:22 pm to BurgTiger
Invite FSU, UNC, Miami and Clemson and kick out Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Vandy (all deadweight).
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:26 pm to JCdawg
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Its tough reading these threads sometimes because people don't know what they are talking about.
UNC and UVA would be the clear frontrunners for SEC expansion. Their money and markets would agree. I don't know which two after that, but I know they would make a run at Notre Dame, and it wouldn't be Clemson or Florida State. Miami and Georgia Tech would be massive Big 10 fits academically and provide more optics in the two largest southern markets. To me Clemson and FSU would likely end up in the Big12 if in fact the ACC is the one to go down
There's a lot wrong with this post...despite the poster claiming people don't know what they are talking about...
But if for some reason FSU and Clemson were ignored by the P2 (which they won't be), and stayed in the ACC, I think the ACC would raid the Big XII, not the other way around, assuming FSU and Clemson stayed, especially with the ACC having their own TV network.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 8:51 pm to RunningJacket
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Did you not see Indiana, who was way worse than Vandy or UVA or UNC, completely flip the script? That is the future.
Indiana’s new success is 99% attributable to wining the lottery when they hired Cignetti.
Posted on 7/3/26 at 9:29 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Saying unc should be in the sec (compared to the B1G) to be closer to their "academic peers" is certainly a take
Posted on 7/4/26 at 6:36 am to EV
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But if for some reason FSU and Clemson were ignored by the P2 (which they won't be)
FSU will be bordering on irrelevance if they don't right the ship after Norvell. Bowden's legacy doesn't mean much anymore. 2024 was an outlier for FSU relative to their performance since 2016.
Dabo has to get things fixed quickly as well. There's no assurance that they will stay relevant given his reluctance to use the portal.
I doubt that they would be "left out" of a P2 but it's not inconceivable. The ACC is incredibly weak even with Miami's resurgence under Cristobal. Even if you combined the best of the ACC and B12 you still wouldn't have much to work with.
The SEC and B1G are not going to participate in pooling media rights. Why should they?
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