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It’s gone tits up for the Kurds every single time, too.

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Have the Kurds won a war since Saladin?

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Yep starting a civil war in Iran sounds like a great idea.

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Certain interests prefer it that way because Iran with a strong government free of the ayatollah could be a strong regional force.

Iran beset by civil war is weak and easier to control.

Kier Starmer is the worst person to lead a nation in the west and it isnt even close.

His actions to shut down prosecutions of child rape gangs in the UK should be ground for crimes against humanity proceedings.

Not that I think this is by any means the most important part of the current discussion, but just to clarify for everyone... This occurred in 1967.

Here is the official US report of the event per the US Dept of State:
US Dept of State: Official Investigation of the Attack on the USS Liberty

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Specifics of the Attack

3. According to these reports, however, the sequence of events took place as follows. The ship was attacked at 3:05 p.m. (8:05 a.m.) by [Page 470]unidentified jet fighters, believed to be Israeli, at position 31–35N, 33–29E. Six strafing runs were made by the jets. Twenty minutes later three torpedo boats closed at high speed and two of them launched torpedoes after first circling the Liberty. One torpedo passed astern, and the other struck the starboard side of the ship in the spaces occupied by the SIGINT collectors. One of the boats was later identified as Israeli and the hull number of one unit was noted as 206–T. Some 50 minutes later two Israeli helicopters arrived on the scene.

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Israeli Identification of the Ship
The weather was clear in the area of attack, the Liberty’s hull number (GTR 5) was prominently displayed, and an American flag was flying. The helicopter pilot reported seeing an American flag on the Liberty. In another intercept between an unidentified Israeli controller and the helicopter number 815. 5. A subsequent message from the control tower identified the ship as Egyptian and told the pilot to return home.

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The Ship and Its Orders

9. The USS Liberty is a converted Victory class merchant ship utilized as a SIGINT collector. The unit had moved from its normal station off West Africa to provide additional SIGINT coverage of the Middle East crisis. Official US statements, however, have described the Liberty as an electronics research ship which had been diverted to the crisis area to act as a radio relay station for US embassies.

10. The Liberty sailed from Rota, Spain, on 2 June under orders to patrol no closer than 12.5 miles of the UAR coast and 6.5 miles of the Israeli coast.

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I’m not sure who is telling you that Mullahs have magically seized control of Iran in a matter of 48 hours, but they are lying to you.

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The mullahs already ran Iran and still control the IRGC.

The ayatollah was the head of that group who rules based on his supposed lineage back to Allah or whatever but there are plenty more behind him to continue their previous hardline Shia path so long as the IRGC remains loyal.

So it all comes down to whether we eliminate the IRGC so the people can rise up or co-opt it so that some pro west despot/military dictator (ie early era Saddam) can take over and sign the Abraham accords and steer them away from China.

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Right now, Israel is showing to be a bigger ally than much of the European nations. Hell, there are other Muslim countries fighting this with Israel and the US.

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Israel is helping us because Israel demanded and went to the White House seven times since Trump took office to lobby us to hit Iran. They’re the reason this is happening.

Bibi has been pushing for this for 30 years. This is his top priority like Putin keeping NATO out of Ukraine.

As long as we come out of it with a pro western government it can be a positive for the US because it could stabilize our reserve currency status and leverage China but that’s still to be achieved.

You’re coming off as dismissing facts because you’ve decided to dislike someone rather than using data to determine what you believe.

I don’t care what anyone thinks about Tucker. I do have major concerns about attempts to limit constructive and objective discussions around whether we should continue to view Israel as a US ally in the face of Epstein and other influence ops when their leaders call us the worst things imaginable, brag about running our country and push our leaders to take foreign policy positions I think are almost as harmful as the globalist policies of the last two generations.

That’s the crux of the debate and Tucker is mostly taking fire for being the only mainstream conservative willing to call out the BS after Charlie Kirk started to but was assassinated shortly thereafter.

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This got four downvotes…SMDH you people are monumentally stupid.

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I don’t worry much about downvotes or name calling particularly when no one is providing substantive objective arguments against.

It’s not possible to have discussions on the internet without those things in modern America so you won’t last long if you do.

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Yeah…. It’s called Islam… and it’s the religion of Satan himself.

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Exactly.

Any Shia follower has to believe these things or they’re an apostate.

Once a girl hits puberty she can be married and the marriage consummated and don’t get me started on what they say about how they should treat non believing women.

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Hadith collections (e.g., Sahih al-Bukhari) reporting the marriage of Aisha to Muhammad (contracted at age 6, consummated at 9, per widely cited narrations).

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Classical fiqh (jurisprudence) rulings across major schools, which generally permitted a guardian to contract marriage for minors (with consummation often delayed until physical maturity/puberty).

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And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women—if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated.

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The hate israel podcasters are way past questioning israel.

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Well they don’t want us to be in a strategic partnership they don’t believe benefits us.

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They are in an Op to divide.

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If we disagree with the GOPe on tariffs does that mean we’re in an op to divide?

No, it means we disagree on policy.

Despite what Levin and Shapiro would tell you it’s possible to disagree with a geopolitical stance that views Bibi Netanyahu as being entitled to set our policy positions without being part of an anti-Semitic hate group or a foreign agent working on behalf of some gulf state.

This has kind of been the question once you get past the strategic decision as to whether we should or shouldn’t attack.

We didn’t stage any ground troops so there won’t be an actual invasion in the short term outside of special ops.

Israel doesn’t have the means to invade effectively.

So absent a mass popular uprising coinciding with the IRGC leadership putting down their arms and calling for elections what is the path to a positive outcome here?

To be clear, there’s still tons of time for that to occur and I’m sure Mossad and the CIA are trying to negotiate it as we speak.

But if the IRGC isn’t dumb enough to show itself and isn’t smart enough to cut a deal how do we win?

Lyndsay Graham says we don’t have a plan because it isn’t our problem.

That to me is insanity but it’s basically what we did in Venezuela. We grabbed Maduro, left his lieutenants in charge and moved directly to Iran.

Do we arm the opposition groups and kick off a civil war? That might be the only path to a pro western government outside of an IRGC negotiated surrender which would result in a dictatorship but possibly a puppet one.

Killing the ayatollah only opens the door to fixing the problem, it doesn’t by itself fix the problem.

Hopefully we have a plan to create a pro western government and the means to enact it.

Because otherwise we’re no better off than we were before and we’ve seen that half assed approach lead to disasters in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and elsewhere.