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Is Sumlin getting a fair shake if he wins the next 2 with Starkel and we fire him?
Posted on 11/12/17 at 7:27 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 7:27 am
After watching Miss State and Auburn it is clear that they are not the bad teams we thought they were. Sumlins starting red shirt QB Starkel goes down with a broken ankle bone in game 1. After that everyone we play knows that we have a true fish QB that is 99% more likely to hand off the ball or run with it himself before completing a pass.
If Sumlin beats Ole Miss and LSU, both on the road, with his qb that he wanted starting this season......I say give him one more year
No I’m gonna duck and run for cover
If Sumlin beats Ole Miss and LSU, both on the road, with his qb that he wanted starting this season......I say give him one more year
No I’m gonna duck and run for cover
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Posted on 11/12/17 at 7:34 am to Old Sarge
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I say give him one more year
Nope.
You don’t judge him off one game (a cupcake game at that) or even one season. It’s about a body of work and through his almost 6 years here after the next two games, we’ve seen enough.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 8:17 am to Old Sarge
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, with his qb that he wanted starting this season......I say give him one more year
Mond has looked terrible except for a few stretches within individual games. As soon as Starkel was healthy he should have resumed as the starter. When it really counted Sumlin inexplicably stayed with Mond. Mond was god awful vs Gators in first half and okay in second half. We kicked 3 FGs in 4th to beat a shitty Gator team.
Vs MSU 56 total passing yards. Starkel comes in late and the offense starts moving the.ball.
Vs Auburn he starts Mond and he throws 20+ Times for 16 yards. How is this even possible?
On top of this our WR have looked absolutely horrible since the UCLA game. Last night it looked like a different receiving corp. Starkel got rid of the ball and this really helped the line vs Mond holding holding onto it forever and taking sacks.
Yes, it was New Mexico. Still, the offense moved with purpose. Deep threat was back. Crossing routes on target. Ball went to different receivers because Starkel has the ability to go to 2nd and 3rd option. Throws were low and didn’t sail. Last night was a glimpse of what might have been or could have been. We wasted a decent defense this year and this is Sumlin’s fault. He needs to go.
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 8:22 am to Old Sarge
We are getting two arse kickings to finish the year, only reason any of this is in question is because we caught Florida at the worst they've been in years and USCe early. I think (hope) OM puts up 50+ so LSU doesn't get the chance to shite the bed like we did a couple years back and we get stuck with a lame duck coach for another year, moral victories don't count in year 6. Let's not forget why our QB situation is what it is.
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 11/12/17 at 8:22 am to Texas Gentleman
We won't beat LSU so it won't matter but no. It's not about what ifs. However, it would make a good excuse to keep him if we can't get the buyout money together or lock down a deserving replacement.
Having said that, I'm excited to see what the new coach can do with Starkle,
Having said that, I'm excited to see what the new coach can do with Starkle,
Posted on 11/12/17 at 8:28 am to Old Sarge
You flip flop worse than a politician. One blowout vs New Mexico changes nothing. Sumlin is done. Wish him well. Move on to the next regime. Starkel will be there for Jimbo/Morris/Frost/Durkin too.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 10:43 am to Old Sarge
Lifetime contract extension guaranteed at $Texas
Posted on 11/12/17 at 11:10 am to CGSC Lobotomy
We get it already. The guaranteed contract sucked. Stahp.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 11:31 am to Old Sarge
quote:we should never be ok with being worse than auburn, arkansas, or the mississippi schools
After watching Miss State and Auburn it is clear that they are not the bad teams we thought they were
Posted on 11/12/17 at 12:16 pm to Old Sarge
Too small of a window you’re looking through.
Hill
Murray
And the other kid that transferred.
Sumlin is a horrible manager of talent and must promise the moon to everyone.
Hill
Murray
And the other kid that transferred.
Sumlin is a horrible manager of talent and must promise the moon to everyone.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 12:24 pm to Old Sarge
Since Johnny, Sumlin is 0-7 against Alabama and LSU, and 1-6 against Mississippi State and Ole Miss. We're almost certainly going to run the first to 0-8 and have a 50/50 chance to run the second to 1-7. Very few of those losses were by less than 10 points, and a fair number were by 20+. That is a 4-year-long total bed-shitting against 2/3 of our division. I don't care about his record against cream puffs, Arkansas, South Carolina, or whatever hapless East team he's lucky enough to draw (Vanderbilt, injury-ravaged Tennessee, checked-out Florida).
Put as simply as possible, Sumlin is a CEO coach who frequently makes terrible, program-crippling hires (just off the top of my head: Snyder, our 1st OL coach, McKinney, Spavital, Morehead, Mazzone) + holds on to them far too long, and is one of the worst in the business at QB management. We have years of data showing this. I don't know what you'd expect to be different next year.
Put as simply as possible, Sumlin is a CEO coach who frequently makes terrible, program-crippling hires (just off the top of my head: Snyder, our 1st OL coach, McKinney, Spavital, Morehead, Mazzone) + holds on to them far too long, and is one of the worst in the business at QB management. We have years of data showing this. I don't know what you'd expect to be different next year.
This post was edited on 11/12/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/12/17 at 1:54 pm to Old Sarge
Yep. 8-4 is not an improvement. So wouldn't be surprised if he was fired, based on the expectations that were set by the AD at SEC media days.
He gets the chance to win go and out on a high note though.
If he beats Ole Miss and LSU, then I also wouldn't be surprised if he is retained. But that's a big IF.
Kind of like how Les Miles was given another shot.
He gets the chance to win go and out on a high note though.
If he beats Ole Miss and LSU, then I also wouldn't be surprised if he is retained. But that's a big IF.
Kind of like how Les Miles was given another shot.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 1:59 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
But he hates TexAgs and chin pubes...yet here he is acting like a TexAgs aficionado spamming the shite out of this board as if this were TexAgs.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 2:02 pm to Tridentds
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As soon as Starkel was healthy he should have resumed as the starter.
Dr. Tridentds,
On what date do you think Starkel should have resumed his duties after a broken ankle on September 3?
Posted on 11/12/17 at 2:24 pm to Old Sarge
Someone forgot their Metamucil and oatmeal
Posted on 11/12/17 at 2:31 pm to Texas Weazel
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But he hates TexAgs and chin pubes...yet here he is acting like a TexAgs aficionado spamming the shite out of this board as if this were TexAgs.
I've seen the light. Sumlin needs to be paid more than every other coach in the FBS combined so that he doesn't leave us for someone else!
Posted on 11/12/17 at 2:59 pm to Old Sarge
Based on just this one season, maybe. In total, nope. He’s had more than a fair shake.
Posted on 11/12/17 at 3:23 pm to Old Sarge
59-0
Posted on 11/12/17 at 4:14 pm to Mr. Elvert
Just posing the question
Posted on 11/12/17 at 6:33 pm to finestfirst79
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On what date do you think Starkel should have resumed his duties after a broken ankle on September 3?
He was healthy enough to play vs both Miss St and Auburn. I can accept the logic of letting Mond start vs Miss St. I cannot accept any reasoning that led to sticking with Mond for Auburn.
That Auburn game would have been completely different had we not wasted a quarter a half on Mond. Hell, the Miss St game would have gone differently too. Both of those games there were wide open WRs all over the field that Mond either could not see or could not get the ball to.
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