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re: Is Sumlin getting a fair shake if he wins the next 2 with Starkel and we fire him?

Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:05 pm to
Yes it is

We have a huge data pool to look back on
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79892 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:12 pm to
Is Fran getting a fair shake if he beats t.u. at the end of the 2007 season and we fire him?
Posted by tigerintexas777
the lake
Member since Sep 2013
1312 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:32 pm to
It's fair to fire him because there is absolutely no reason whatsoever that A&M isn't having success. Second to none facilities, the state of Texas recruiting for goodness sakes, a hell of a student fan base (don't leave at half like LSU), great alumni- think about A&M deserves better - demand it - LSU fans do - once you taste a national championship that's all you are satisfied with - and that should be your end goal - not 8-9 wins and a decent bowl - who gives a rats arse about that - Sumlin needs to be shown the door and A&M go after somebody who is a young fireball or throw money at a proven winner - not talking about Chad Morris the typical "good Ag" safe hire
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:44 pm to
Auburn 2013
Mizzu 2014
LSU 2014
Auburn 2015
MSU 2016
OM 2016
LSU 2016
KSU 2016
UCLA 2017

All games that Kevin Sumlin had NO BUSINESS LOSING. He couldnt beat two LSU teams in Kyle Field that had completely quit and laid down for the year.

And this isnt even factoring in losses in which the manner was inexcusable, such as LSU 2013, Bama 2014, OM in 2015 and MSU this year.

And the bottom line, possibly more than anything else, is that he CANNOT CONSISTENTLY BEAT P5 TEAMS AT HOME. Fanbases will tolerate losing on the road for a long time, but you cannot continue to year after year send the home crowd out with embarrassing losses to any team with a pulse. Kevin Sumlin has sucked the life out of Kyle Field and gamedays are just a boring run through the motions.
Posted by tigerintexas777
the lake
Member since Sep 2013
1312 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 10:59 pm to
I think one of Sumlin's biggest flaws is recruiting. That swag copter is dumb, hit the road in an old beat up Volkswagen if you have too. Just recruit. How does Patterson at TCU have success with those players around DFW, and Sumlin can't do the same with players around Houston? Coaching...
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18798 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:10 am to
I'd add:

UF 2012
LSU 2012
Bama 2013

a good coach would have won those games and a National championship in 2012. We had the greatest QB in A&M history! And one of the greatest receivers.
Posted by AgsNguyening
USA
Member since Jul 2014
2798 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:06 am to
If he finishes the year 2-0 I think we give him another year. Anything less and he is gone. My opinion.

The grass isn’t always greener and we have been to a bowl game every year he has been here.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:49 am to
If you believe Texags, the wheels are already in motion. Liucci even stated in his weekly review definitively that Sumlin won't be around to see through any hope generated by an end of the year run.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55188 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:19 am to
I’m starting to think you are Rogers alter
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
Member since Jun 2015
4194 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:41 am to
quote:

Liucci even stated in his weekly review definitively that Sumlin won't be around to see through any hope generated by an end of the year run.


This is the first time I've seen him say "When the job opens up" every time he answers a question instead of "IF******" Interesting times for sure I regretfully re-subscribed for the fireworks.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:12 am to
The biggest issue with Sumlin's recruiting is that he targets so many WRs and ignores other spots. Chavis has pulled in some good LBs. But Sumlin either can't recruit other positions or he just chooses not to. Either way, that's a failure.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79892 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:56 am to
Paying for "early access" is like pre ordering a game. To quote South Park: "All it gets you is a dick in the mouth."
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 9:12 am
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50118 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:58 am to
You may not pay, but you might be the most TexAgsiest poster on tRant.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60094 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:20 am to
Upvote
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20284 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

You may not pay, but you might be the most TexAgsiest poster on tRant.


and...

he hates Lucci and ridicules him constantly but seems to be able to quote him and know exactly what Lucci is thinking about anything at any time. Obsession is very real.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8525 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

You may not pay, but you might be the most TexAgsiest poster on tRant.

Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55188 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by AgSwag1
Member since Oct 2015
189 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:35 pm to
He won't win the next two. In fact he won't win the next one. 6 years of sad results, 30 million dollars for mediocrity. Fire him already.
Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
14971 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:12 pm to
Blasphemy
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

If he finishes the year 2-0 I think we give him another year


You almost have to at this pointy if you want to improve for the future, way too many top jobs open right now, 2017 is proving to be an agents wet dream.

Letting the traffic clear, ID your target, get the deal ironed out offline, and replace Sumlin end of 2018 is the prudent move here.
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