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re: What exactly holds Texas A&M back?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:02 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:02 pm to CBandits82
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Gotta be something internal.
Is it a case of the Longhorns?
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:11 pm to CBandits82
Massive class ring too heavy to run/throw/tackle with....
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:30 pm to TigerFanFromBama
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I dont understand why these schools dont do contracts geared toward incentives.
This.
Jimbo's guaranteed contract is their biggest problem. It gave him no incentive to win anything. I know he wanted to win, but you've got to give him extra incentive.
Plus, he's just not that good a coach, so he may not have won them an NC, even with incentives. The NC he won for FSU was with a TD as time ran out. It could have easily gone the other way.
The state in which he left FSU should have been a clue that he was not that good.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:42 pm to CBandits82
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I don’t fault A&M at all for trying, they have a shite load of money and were absolutely committed to winning.
My question is why/how did it not work?
Bad coaching hires. You're right about everything else you mentioned, but you have to understand all that investment and commitment is all VERY recent for A&M.
Before the SEC move, A&M was the program that cheaped out on everything from stadium, to practice facilities, to no-name coaches, with no-name staffs.
The real commitment to competing is about 10 years in at A&M right now.
In those 10 years, Sumlin couldn't get over the hump, and cratered without Kingsbury as his OC. Then Jimbo turned out to be a disaster that we are still stuck with. That's pretty much the story so far. If A&M can get out of the Jimbo contract somehow, maybe we'll get to see a real coach who can sustain a program once the initial set of coordinators leave. Fingers crossed.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:46 pm to Krampus
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Before the SEC move, A&M was the program that cheaped out on everything from stadium, to practice facilities, to no-name coaches, with no-name staffs.
Fran, Stallings, and Sherman were pretty well known...
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:51 pm to Krampus
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A&M was the program that cheaped out on everything
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:54 pm to CBandits82
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What exactly holds Texas A&M back?
For nearly 150 years A&M has been the unwanted and underachieving red headed step child dwarfed in the shadows of their bigger brother.
At this point mediocrity and insecurity is hard wired into their DNA.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 2:25 am to CBandits82
Hypoxia, i.e. aggie brains obviously not getting enough oxygen...
Recommend that ags spend a bit of their wealth on some friggin' trees...
Recommend that ags spend a bit of their wealth on some friggin' trees...
Posted on 10/18/23 at 4:00 am to Murph4HOF
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A little brother mentality that is leaps and bounds worse than any other school to include Auburn.
A poor man's version of Clemson before they finally broke through? Is that a good analogy?
I think you're on to something here. It's almost as if the entire program and fanbase expects to have that letdown in the big moments. LSU struggled with it for a while until Bertman was AD and Saban arrived. Overall bad leadership perhaps? Maybe it's all the above. Whatever it is, there's no excuse for them to not he more successful.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 5:29 am to TigerLunatik
Aggies and Arkansas both share a toxic cultural trait.
Both were for years "little brother" in the SWC and both fan bases have been desperate to be big winners for decades.
Arkansas got a taste of winning big in the 1960s and it's haunted them ever since.
That desperation--to get there for Aggies, and to return there for Razorbacks--makes their fans and boosters crazy.
Despite more than 30 years of NOT winning an SEC football title, Hog fans really do believe, deep down, if Arkansas can just fire the right coach, the glory days will return.
It's why Kenny Hatfield was run off after consecutive SWC chanpionships and 10-2 seasons. Why Nutt was run off, etc, etc.
It's why Arkansas is the most high pressure job in all of college football for a program that is at about a .570 winning percentage since the late 1800s.
Aggies giving Jimbo a National Championship trophy with blank date on it is very similar.
Huge expectations with zero history of being close to great. At least not since WWII or so.
Aggies think we paid the $$. Where's the Natty?
No Natty? FIRE THEM ALL!
Not many men can take a 1970s pickup and win a NASCAR race with it, no matter how much $$ you spend on it.
But when you put every man who tries under immense pressure to GET IT DONE NOW OR GET OUT, that creates bad results.
Like at A&M and Arkansas.
Both were for years "little brother" in the SWC and both fan bases have been desperate to be big winners for decades.
Arkansas got a taste of winning big in the 1960s and it's haunted them ever since.
That desperation--to get there for Aggies, and to return there for Razorbacks--makes their fans and boosters crazy.
Despite more than 30 years of NOT winning an SEC football title, Hog fans really do believe, deep down, if Arkansas can just fire the right coach, the glory days will return.
It's why Kenny Hatfield was run off after consecutive SWC chanpionships and 10-2 seasons. Why Nutt was run off, etc, etc.
It's why Arkansas is the most high pressure job in all of college football for a program that is at about a .570 winning percentage since the late 1800s.
Aggies giving Jimbo a National Championship trophy with blank date on it is very similar.
Huge expectations with zero history of being close to great. At least not since WWII or so.
Aggies think we paid the $$. Where's the Natty?
No Natty? FIRE THEM ALL!
Not many men can take a 1970s pickup and win a NASCAR race with it, no matter how much $$ you spend on it.
But when you put every man who tries under immense pressure to GET IT DONE NOW OR GET OUT, that creates bad results.
Like at A&M and Arkansas.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 5:41 am to CBandits82
RC Slocum was a great coach at A&M without the backing of the modern era.
Jimbo Fisher does not fit into the category of great coach. The sooner A&M can get rid of him, the sooner they can become a truly competitive program. However, they have to make the right hire.
Jimbo Fisher does not fit into the category of great coach. The sooner A&M can get rid of him, the sooner they can become a truly competitive program. However, they have to make the right hire.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 6:03 am to CBandits82
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My question is why/how did it not work?
snagged the top coach at the time
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:23 am to Murph4HOF
Jimbo recruits well on paper. But he accepts way too many turds and selfish players. Every team has a few talented turds. But Jimbo does not give a crap and will take anyone if they are talented. He has too many turds and too many mercenaries. It's what led to his downfall at Florida State and why his recruiting classes seemed to be a constant supply of players for Last Chance U.
Also, he has too many a-hole assistants. You can have a couple. But Jimbo seems to delight in hiring as many dickheads as possible.
He also is terrible in evaluating OL talent and OL coaches. His O-lines at FSU were his downfall there.
Also, he has too many a-hole assistants. You can have a couple. But Jimbo seems to delight in hiring as many dickheads as possible.
He also is terrible in evaluating OL talent and OL coaches. His O-lines at FSU were his downfall there.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:41 am to CBandits82
They don’t know how to win because they never have. Winning is a culture and it can’t be bought or taught. It can only be achieved. It’s not an easy thing to do in the SEC if you have never really done it or have forgotten how to, look no further than Tennessee over the last couple of decades. It takes the right combination of luck and the right coach.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:55 am to CBandits82
100% coaching, and not just X & O's. The culture there is shite see Texas as a parallel. After Mack Brown, loads of talent and constant let downs. Coaching is recruiting, strategy and most importantly building a team culturre. See what Pinkel did at Mizzou for example of how to do it right.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:55 am to Tiger Phil
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My opinion is that it is two things: Exaggerated optimism and feigned (or real) arrogance.
The exaggerated optimism comes in not accepting failure for what it is. To the aggies, it is just a misinterpretation of results. For instance, they say that “The Aggies have never lost a game, they have only been trailing when time ran out.” Somehow putting a positive spin on losing. Moreover their optimism for the future knows no bounds - see the 20– NCAA Football Championship Trophy they gave Jimbo upon his hire. Their culture simply isn’t wired to accept failure as an option or as an occurrence. But instead of working to avoid the failure, they work through the failure and just call it success.
The arrogance comes when people question such an approach and they say you just don’t understand. The Aggies pride themselves so dang much on tradition, that they hold the traditions above everything and it is what makes them special. So the Aggie Way of doing things is the right way, despite all evidence to the contrary and if you question it, then you’re incapable of understanding.
This has to have a lot to do with it if we were trying to quantify one big, overall reason.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:45 am to CBandits82
One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned, or maybe they did but I missed it, is what I like to call the "Texas bump" when it comes to recruiting.
Because Texas HS football is so incredibly popular and so much money is spent on it recruits from Texas get the benefit of the doubt more often than not. So a guy that would be a 3* coming out of Missouri would be a 4* coming out of Texas. Possibly higher.
Mind you, I'm not saying Texas doesn't produce good football players, they absolutely do, but with the hype an average (at best) QB might be anointed as the second coming of Peyton Manning. And they get to school, with all this publicity, and turn out to be... an average QB.
You get these monstrous recruiting classes with more 5* players that you can shake a stick at but when push comes to shove it turns out to be an above average class at best.
Meanwhile, because you've got 40 "superstars" riding the bench, you don't have room for those diamond in the rough players who go to other schools and turn out to be great college talents.
Because Texas HS football is so incredibly popular and so much money is spent on it recruits from Texas get the benefit of the doubt more often than not. So a guy that would be a 3* coming out of Missouri would be a 4* coming out of Texas. Possibly higher.
Mind you, I'm not saying Texas doesn't produce good football players, they absolutely do, but with the hype an average (at best) QB might be anointed as the second coming of Peyton Manning. And they get to school, with all this publicity, and turn out to be... an average QB.
You get these monstrous recruiting classes with more 5* players that you can shake a stick at but when push comes to shove it turns out to be an above average class at best.
Meanwhile, because you've got 40 "superstars" riding the bench, you don't have room for those diamond in the rough players who go to other schools and turn out to be great college talents.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to CBandits82
aggy
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:52 am to CBandits82
Buttpussy
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:53 am to Gunga Din
quote:College Station is still a recruiting liability, tho.
A&M had an excuse for not competing when they were an all male military school simply because a lot of recruits just wouldn't consider them. That was a disadvantage for sure.
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