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re: Nick's Real Concern

Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:18 am to
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
12443 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:18 am to
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Not the parity Saban is looking for


He better retire soon cause his consecutive NCs have ended.

Geogia, TexAM and Texas gonna outspent the Elephants and they may cause a portal depletion of star Tide players. That would cause real Saban verbal strokes
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
7511 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:19 pm to
Little Nicky was always 4", and now it's limp like a noodle.

The GOAT is falling off the mountain...
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
2013 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:23 pm to
Saban realizes that Alabama and the majority of SEC schools do not hail from locations with tremendous corporate home office locations to be able to wield unlimited corporate dollars for NIL deals over the long haul. The exceptions being UT, A&M and, perhaps UGA. God forbid a guy like Elon Musk or Michael Dell suddenly getting involved in the play on behalf of Austin based corporations. It’s not a matter of simply having a plant that manufactures and generates tax dollars in one’s state, you have to have the decision makers invested sufficiently to be willing to sprinkle $$$tens of millions annually to buy the best players in the most significant sports.

My belief is that the NCAA lifting the 25 signee limit for the next two years helps to placate any whim by a power like Saban from bolting the sport because it allows him to purge those recruits who didn’t live up to their hype the first time around and stop the entire sport to be dominated solely by the schools that generate the greatest companies AND also happen to have a tremendous passion for their Alma Mater’s athletic programs.

Just having NIL as the sole source could tremendously change the shape of the landscape at places like Georgia Tech, Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Michigan, University of Washington, Oregon, Illinois, Penn State and can you imagine if the Ivy League schools like Harvard, Penn and Cornell start to jump on this bandwagon.
Posted by tigahdor
Member since Feb 2022
58 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:42 pm to
Agree with most of this except I don't think corporate office locations is the relevant data point (ex: College Station is in the middle of nowhere). What matters more is number of high net worth alumni and how willing those alumni are to throw money at recruits.

Wikipedia has an entry with the top 20 US universities in terms of High net worth alums (based on some report). A&M is not even on the list. Quite a few P5 schools are - Michigan, Stanford, USC, Texas, Miami, ND, Northwestern, etc.

So why is A&M spending so much more than everyone else? Because their alums are desperate to win in sports. They've been throwing money at athletics for years now instead of academics, with very little to show for it. On paper, schools like Harvard and Stanford should dominate, but their alums don't care enough to illegally throw their hard-earned money at high-schoolers. Even at a place like Texas, you've got billionaires like Michael Dell who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars for a brand new medical school and other academic things but probably doesn't give a dime in NIL. It's just different priorities.
Posted by TigerWerm
7th circle of hell
Member since Nov 2005
5805 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:16 pm to
I've been saying that Texas and Texas 8&4 are poised to become the new SEC powers if the status quo is allowed to continue. Saban will get fed up with not being able to stack the deck in his favor and retire.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
24713 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:33 pm to
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This is what I’m constantly saying. Media and so many others act like the student athletes get nothing. They use terms like free labor. Wtf. Those kids are getting free education, free food, free housing, free tutoring, etc.


This really hits home thinking of what all I paid to send my kids to college. Even with partial scholarships it was an expensive endeavor yet people just write off what athletes receive like it is worthless.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2669 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:04 pm to
While you were studying in air conditioned comfort in the Library those guys were doing two a days in terrible heat and humidity. Yeah the facilities are great but can you seriously say that the total monetary benefit of all the things you said come close to the millions the coaches and school are taking in? Where they have gone wrong is NOT letting the schools pay the players. It would be much better if the school was making direct, regulated payments than the ridiculous system that is in place now.

Give all the players a salary so that everyone will benefit not just the stars. Make it some percentage of the AD's total revenue. Nothing outrageous, just a nice amount that will allow them to buy clothes, give some to their families, etc.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
37443 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:49 pm to
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This really hits home thinking of what all I paid to send my kids to college. Even with partial scholarships it was an expensive endeavor yet people just write off what athletes receive like it is worthless.


What athletes receive isn’t worthless, but it’s not commensurate with what some make for the school.

Accordingly we’ ve seen salaries for coaches, asst. coaches, coaches of non profitable sports, administrators, and etc. sky rocket.

College athletics was out of balance. Money was pouring in and it wasn’t been distributed in an equitable manner.
Posted by dljtigers
Sulphur, LA
Member since Feb 2012
1838 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:57 pm to
I am in favor of a system that keeps college football somewhat intact. College football is not a job!

Many people played it just for an education.

The only reason that has changed is because TV revenue became enormous.

It has become the NFL minor league and in return we have a team with many players that have no loyalty to the University they play for.

The system is gonna break at some point and maybe already has.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Silvermoon_WhereRU
Member since Jun 2016
2399 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:58 pm to
He can ride out his existing roster for 4 more years and hang it up. Unless they change the rules, this new NIL money game will send him into retirement before 80.
Posted by Sanitarium
Red Stick, La
Member since May 2022
288 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:10 pm to
Saban is such a whiney little beotch
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
1399 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:27 pm to
Besides Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, there is also a TON of old oil money in Midland and Tyler area.
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
4405 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:30 pm to
Nick concerned about a level playing field.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18514 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:44 pm to
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ust to be clear, you are in favor of a maximum wage for certain people, with the beneficiaries being other people who will get rich off their labor, and fans who will get the kind of entertainment to which they are accustomed.
why do you think there are salary caps in pro sports leagues? Sports leagues can't be a pure free-market endeavor (and I'm a staunch free-market guy).

If it's all wide open, the big money pro teams (and big booster colleges) will buy all the best players, and the competition on the field suffers. Once that happens, fans will abandon the sport.

Thus the need for salary limitations of some kind.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
60155 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

IF Saban sees NIL as the ultimate key to success on the football field, he certainly realizes that A&M can outspend Alabama. If he thinks A&M has money, he also understands that Texas can match the Aggies dollar for dollar. Not the parity Saban is looking for.


There’s CAN and WILL. And Alabama’s will to spend will always be high enough to match any other school, and matter how much they CAN.
Posted by Grey1030
Member since Oct 2012
171 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:12 pm to
A few points:
The LONG hours of athletes toiling away argument, to me, goes away when you look up the rules governing just how many hours these students can work at their sport. In other words, schools have been turning a blind eye to the rules over this for decades. Thus the everyone is cheating argument is proven again. Besides, it sounds simple to me. If you want all this stuff for free, you gotta work hard! I like it.
The schools are raking in the cash!! If so, then why do most all say their AD is losing money?? All that equipment and travel costs $$$. And don’t argue Title IX blah blah. That’s here to stay. Losing $$ in sports is the cost of doing business in the college world. So don’t give me the wealth isn’t shared argument. Coaches make a ton of money?? Who cares?? How many people make minimum wage under a CEO who makes millions?? A LOT.

So yeah, these athletes get a lot in return for their efforts. I really would like to see a dollar value placed on all the “free” goods and services received by college football players over the course of 4 years. Then throw in an injured athlete and all the health care AND rehab he gets. Dollars!! I think many here would be appalled at the true dollar value.

FYI: Many of these football players have Medicaid as their health insurance. Translation, they typically have little access to local “star” doctors, healthcare facilities and rehab sites. Many are stuck in the University Medical centers. Oh but they’re college athletes!! So what?? Does that mean the deserve care delivered totally different than all the other Medicaid recipients out there?? Just saying.
Posted by ByronSchreve
Austin, Tx
Member since Nov 2021
2 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:46 pm to
The University of Texas is one of the richest schools on the planet. Texas A&M isn’t far behind. This really sucks for LSU and other schools that can’t compete with that cash flow. The richest schools will be winning the playoffs and national championships. College football that we knew and loved is gone. Very sad.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
41755 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:57 pm to
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why do you think there are salary caps in pro sports leagues?

Because both parties agreed to them. Next!
Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
3308 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:11 pm to
No. USC, Ohio St.,….no other college has financial backing like Texas & Texas A&M have. Each university has access to Billions while all others have access to millions. Oil & property are the backbone of Texas & Texas A&M.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
5043 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:18 pm to
Bama broke just like LSU
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