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re: Nick's Real Concern
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:37 pm to moneyg
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:37 pm to moneyg
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Saban wants everyone to accept the level of cheating that he does...while rejecting the level of cheating that A&M has done under the new system.
Lot of truth to this.
UGA had already one-upped bama in the amounts being paid in the old system so that national championship game, where Bama was physically dominated in the 2nd half, really had to sting.
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 8:58 pm to Grey1030
quote:I worked for a large state university(not LSU). The AD was treated as a separate entity when it came to revenue but part of the University when it came to receiving free services, such as payroll, accounting, land for the stadium and offices etc. LSU is practically the only school that shares their athletic money with the rest of the campus. If a school was truly losing money on their athletic program then they wouldn't have one for very long. All business needs to make a profit and that's all college athletics is. And even if the AD shows a loss on paper, the extra booster revenue it brings in more than makes up for it.
The schools are raking in the cash!! If so, then why do most all say their AD is losing money?? All that equipment and travel costs $$$. And don’t argue Title IX blah blah. That’s here to stay. Losing $$ in sports is the cost of doing business in the college world. So don’t give me the wealth isn’t shared argument. Coaches make a ton of money?? Who cares?? How many people make minimum wage under a CEO who makes millions?? A LOT.
And to say that coach's astronomical salaries don't matter is ridiculous. The AD like most big organizations, is top heavy with coach and administrative salaries. Just shave a little off the top and there would be lots of money to pay players.
And just so you know, the top down salary structure in all facets of American life matters to me also. The ridiculous greed of those at the top has gone over the top and we are getting ready to have a depression that will be the worst in our history.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:07 pm to bearhc
There’s an easy accountability that will cost the NCAA some resources but has to happen if NIL is truly for name image and likeness. There has to be advertising, media, books, videos, t-shirts, jerseys or other tangible items connected to the specific players being rewarded for said names, images and likeness. Those have to be “sold” by entities in the form of businesses or for-profit organizations seeking to make money on said name image or likeness. A wealthy alumni simply can’t throw dollars to a player to come to their favorite school without a fungible exchange of value by the athletes for what they are being paid. That’s how this was all set up. There has to be accountability. If A&M has nothing advanced to show for what was generated off the field for all of that money paid, it’s going to catch up with them rather quickly.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 7:27 am to bearhc
I think this is spot on. Saban has perfected the "under the table" payoff method. If it all goes above board, he's screwed. This is the sole reason he doesn't like NIL being legalized. Now everyone can do what he's been doing for decades.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:00 am to dljtigers
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how do you justify name and likeness when they haven't done anything.
This
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:17 am to Tom Bronco
Good reply. Thank you.
Now, think of all medium and large cap companies out there. Name one that turns a loss but “evens” the books because some people out there like them and give money to them. Oh, and by the way, that money is no longer tax deductible. That’s right, none.
There’s the age old argument out there that says, do we limit salaries and administrative positions etc. or leave it to the market to see what it will bear? The answer really isn’t so simple. As you try to come up with an answer, remember, there is no happy medium between socialism and capitalism. It’s one or the other.
Obviously, even capitalism needs its boundaries and limitations to work as I believe we will see with NIL. Greed is never a good thing but I think you’ll agree that the greedy ones often are the ones operating outside the established rules and limits. They almost always kill whatever host they’re feeding on. I can see that happening with NIL, schools/boosters AND players.
Now, think of all medium and large cap companies out there. Name one that turns a loss but “evens” the books because some people out there like them and give money to them. Oh, and by the way, that money is no longer tax deductible. That’s right, none.
There’s the age old argument out there that says, do we limit salaries and administrative positions etc. or leave it to the market to see what it will bear? The answer really isn’t so simple. As you try to come up with an answer, remember, there is no happy medium between socialism and capitalism. It’s one or the other.
Obviously, even capitalism needs its boundaries and limitations to work as I believe we will see with NIL. Greed is never a good thing but I think you’ll agree that the greedy ones often are the ones operating outside the established rules and limits. They almost always kill whatever host they’re feeding on. I can see that happening with NIL, schools/boosters AND players.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:22 am to arcalades
Uh, both A&M and UT are public state universities subject to the same fiscal rules and funded from the same state pots of money like the PUF. There certainly will be a spending war between their alums to build bigger collectives. It will get ugly.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:59 am to dljtigers
Potential
Look I hate 8@4fit just as much as anyone but they aren't cheating. This capitalism the rich tend to break away from the pack. The issue I have is the 1 year transfer. You need to sit out 1 season as before unless the coaching staff is fired or leaves.That will slow down the tempering and active and the portal mess
Look I hate 8@4fit just as much as anyone but they aren't cheating. This capitalism the rich tend to break away from the pack. The issue I have is the 1 year transfer. You need to sit out 1 season as before unless the coaching staff is fired or leaves.That will slow down the tempering and active and the portal mess
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:30 am to WhiteMandingo
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Look I hate 8@4fit just as much as anyone but they aren't cheating.
They are definitely cheating with regard to the intent of the rule. The bigger problem is that when the NCAA did nothing about the aTm issue then everybody else started copying it. So how does NCAA put the genie back in the bottle.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:37 am to oldskule
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prediction, he will resign amidst the new changes in college sports
He will, him penning that letter to Manchin was a tell to me
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:52 am to Grey1030
On the Socialism vs Capitalism discussion, you are correct concerning middle ground. The problem or fuzziness in finding a middle ground in most Western countries is the use of taxes for things like public education, a military, policing, fire protection, ambulance, public health (even though that’s an ugly topic) and all organizations like the FDA, FAA, FDIC and so many other things we enjoy as protections and services keeping most from falling off a cliff when all the stars are not aligned and all is not perfect in the world - all technically socialist, but most capitalists wouldn’t agree those “services” all should just go away.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:52 am to Grey1030
And I think yours was a well thought out reply also. We obviously will never agree on some things so I will just leave you with this one thought. No system works that is inhabited by corrupt people with no ethics or integrity. Unfortunately that is not just college football but everywhere I look. So sad!
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:54 am to bearhc
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Not the parity Saban is looking for.
Saban had two years of parity and it made his arse quit.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:11 am to arcalades
Let me explain this to you about Texas. One of my children is a student there. She runs with an exclusive group at UT, but because of my job and family have been around money my whole life, not bs money but real money the 25 million and up club, which is big money in Louisiana, Mississippi and Bama. 60 Vikings, king airs to G-3s, 6000 feet plus beach front houses in Destin or 30a, 200k anniversary rings, 30k a year hunting clubs, cc memberships all over etc.
That’s nothing to UT alums, I have never seen that amount of collected wealth in my whole life, everyone is a damn billionaire or 500 millionaire, etc. It’s staggering and it’s real, and they have hundred of alums if not 1000s that are willing to write a check with 7 numbers, not 5 or 6 like the rest of the SEC.
The only issue they have is that they are so competitive with each other and am like to meddle
That’s nothing to UT alums, I have never seen that amount of collected wealth in my whole life, everyone is a damn billionaire or 500 millionaire, etc. It’s staggering and it’s real, and they have hundred of alums if not 1000s that are willing to write a check with 7 numbers, not 5 or 6 like the rest of the SEC.
The only issue they have is that they are so competitive with each other and am like to meddle
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:18 am to arcalades
quote:WT actual F?
stop spreading this myth. The university of Texas is part of the state system and they simply cannot spend money the same as a&m. you people need to know what you are talking about before you actually spout crap. you people simply don't understand how things flow
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:21 am to arcalades
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stop spreading this myth. The university of Texas is part of the state system and they simply cannot spend money the same as a&m. you people need to know what you are talking about before you actually spout crap. you people simply don't understand how things flow. Texas would still be on top if they could spend it easily.
And what system is A&M a part of, I wonder? It amazes me how confidently incorrect some of you can be.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:35 am to ScoopAndScore
quote:Not only that, they get free advertising, free brand building and brand recognition, training and development for their future careers, counseling, networking, structure and guidance, and countless other opportunities along the way.
This is what I’m constantly saying. Media and so many others act like the student athletes get nothing. They use terms like free labor. Wtf. Those kids are getting free education, free food, free housing, free tutoring, etc. It’s an opportunity to significantly improve their lives that a majority of them would never have without a football scholarship. It’s crazy to me that people don’t recognize that.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:57 pm to skullhawk
Check out UTIMCO if you think UT and A&M draw from a state pot like LSU. 2 million acres of land, many oil wells, timber,minerals and portfolios worth $50 billion plus. It's not a myth.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 5:08 pm to bearhc
Posted on 5/21/22 at 5:17 pm to deaux
2018- 0 5 stars
2019- 2 5 stars
2020- 2 5 stars
2021- 1 5 star
NIL introduced
2022- 7 5 stars and highest ranked class in history. Coincidence, I think not, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. My Mom raised a fool but it wasn’t me, it was my brother. Again this wild Wild West we have now was not the intent of NIL. I am all for the true intent of NIL, but this deal needs some guardrails along with early signing day and the portal. For the sport and the student athlete, because that’s what this is all about right?? Ha
2019- 2 5 stars
2020- 2 5 stars
2021- 1 5 star
NIL introduced
2022- 7 5 stars and highest ranked class in history. Coincidence, I think not, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. My Mom raised a fool but it wasn’t me, it was my brother. Again this wild Wild West we have now was not the intent of NIL. I am all for the true intent of NIL, but this deal needs some guardrails along with early signing day and the portal. For the sport and the student athlete, because that’s what this is all about right?? Ha
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