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re: NCAA to open door for transfers to play immediately?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:49 pm to Bham Bammer
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:49 pm to Bham Bammer
In other news Nick Saban has kicked off his Dodge Charger for a transfer program.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:50 pm to pvilleguru
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Many of them are pushed through the easiest classes on campus just to stay eligible.
While this is sometimes true, the ones that fit this description most likely would never even be admitted to the school they were attending unless they were good at sports.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:50 pm to RT1941
An entire offensive line might transfer with an OL coach. Coaches would get hired based on how many player he could get to follow. This is not a good thing at all.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:50 pm to pvilleguru
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Many of them are pushed through the easiest classes on campus just to stay eligible.
and that's their choice. They can take advantage of the opportunity given to them or they can piss it away.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:51 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
It's to prevent schools from poaching from other schools.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:52 pm to XenScott
It's the right thing to do, but the right thing to do is going to open a Pandora's box full of unforseen problems. Just like the one you mentioned.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:53 pm to lsufball19
quote:Is it really? If their coach and adviser comes to them and says, "You need to take these classes this semester," how many of them are going to say "No"?
and that's their choice.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:53 pm to Bham Bammer
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I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.
Wouldn't this be somewhat equivalent to NBA and NFL players having one year contracts and being free agents every year?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:54 pm to DingLeeBerry
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Wouldn't this be somewhat equivalent to NBA and NFL players having one year contracts and being free agents every year?
Sort of. But players (in this scenario) would only get one "without penalty" transfer. Meaning if they tried to transfer again they'd have to sit out a year.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:54 pm to lsufball19
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Would it be fair to make student athletes take out student loans to cover all their expenses? There is certainly a lot of value in what they do receive. They are essentially given the best internship in the world and a nation-wide television platform to showcase their skills. They also don't pay for anything the entire time they're in college. And if their talent doesn't translate to the next level, they are given a college education free of cost. Either way, the mere existence of these athletic scholarships provides them with the tools to increase their future earning capacities. And without them, many of these players would have little options for their future.
So your counterargument against them being allowed to make money off their likeness is essentially "aren't they getting enough as it is?" What does what they're already receiving have to do with anything regarding their ability to sign an endorsement deal without having to sacrifice their ability to play?
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You're going to get into a lot of litigation when a team has a sponsored by Nike has a player sign a deal with Under Armour.
Well, won't the lawyers enjoy figuring that part out. Just because it's inconvenient for the administrators (who are the same group that have propped up these arbitrary amateurism rules dating back to the 1950s) isn't good enough reason to continue to deny student-athletes an opportunity to do what every other on student can. Any other student at UGA, for example, can write music and sell it or develop an app and sell it. Athletes are the only ones on campus told "if you receive payment of any kind because you play x sport, you will no longer be allowed to play and you will forfeit your scholarship as a result"
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:55 pm to Bham Bammer
Exactly. Booster A from bama offers to pay $10K for a player's jersey if he transfers. Booster B from aggie land offers $100K. Where do you think the player goes? And if everyone agrees cheating goes on now with regular recruiting, wait till schools have "agents" out in the field, looking for players to talk into transferring. This is going to screw small time programs big time. Team A, say bama, needs a kicker. Team B, say Grambling, has an All American kicker. Guess which teams wins? As for abusing players, I worked one full time & one part time job to get through college. I would have loved to have been abused by getting a free education & room & board & medical expenses & tutoring.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:57 pm to Bham Bammer
Like the tier idea
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:58 pm to coachcrisp
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What you're referring to would be the biggest cluster-frick in the history of amateur sports in America.
Well, amateur sports has been completely done away with by every organization except the NCAA so not really a strong point here. Even the olympics abandoned amateurism a while ago and they damn near started the whole concept.
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It would be similar to pro athletes being able to freely move from one team to another.
Except not because pro athletes negotiate contracts that keep them in one place for a certain amount of time in exchange for a certain amount of money? Just because college students have this option doesn't mean they will hop around teams and conferences on a whim.
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Son, you need to get yourself out of that socialist, classroom and into the real world.
Please tell me youbrealize that what I'm advocating is capitalism, the exact opposite of socialism, right?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:00 pm to TidalTim
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Liberals are always looking for ways to kill good things.
Amen.
I love the sport the way it is. Don't wreck it b/c of feel-good-ism!
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:00 pm to pvilleguru
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Is it really? If their coach and adviser comes to them and says, "You need to take these classes this semester," how many of them are going to say "No"?
Yes it is, really. The ones that want to earn a college degree will say no. The one who want to earn a college degree will ask their advisers what they need to do to stay on track to graduate just like all other students, including college athletes, do when they meet with their college advisers. Unless you're trying to say players are too stupid to think for themselves and need people to think for them.
When I was in college I could log in and track my progress towards credits I needed in whatever area to make sure I was taking what I needed to take to graduate. If athletes want to take the bare minimum to stay eligible, then yes that is 100% on them. If they care about getting a degree, they will make sure they're on track to do that.
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:00 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Booster A from bama offers to pay $10K for a player's jersey if he transfers. Booster B from aggie land offers $100K. Where do you think the player goes?
Sooooooo they do exactly what they're already doing only it's not under the table and it's pretty apparent whose boosters are buying what? And when asked for proof of purchase by the boosters, the players should have nothing to hide because selling their jersey isn't against the rules and they're not at risk but a school with rogue boosters would be.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:01 pm to lsufball19
quote:I do think some are.
Unless you're trying to say players are too stupid to think for themselves and need people to think for them.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:04 pm to m2pro
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I love the sport the way it is.
Not aimed at you in particular but y'all (collectively) do realize the sport as we know and love it is dying, right? The only question is how different it's going to look in 10-20 years.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:10 pm to tylerdurden24
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Not aimed at you in particular but y'all (collectively) do realize the sport as we know and love it is dying, right?
How is it dying?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 4:12 pm to lsufball19
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Yes it is, really. The ones that want to earn a college degree will say no. The one who want to earn a college degree will ask their advisers what they need to do to stay on track to graduate just like all other students, including college athletes, do when they meet with their college advisers. Unless you're trying to say players are too stupid to think for themselves and need people to think for them.
When I was in college I could log in and track my progress towards credits I needed in whatever area to make sure I was taking what I needed to take to graduate. If athletes want to take the bare minimum to stay eligible, then yes that is 100% on them. If they care about getting a degree, they will make sure they're on track to do that.
While athletes certainly SHOULD be in charge of their academic progress, many aren't. Many in revenue sports are working the equivalent of a 40 hour job in addition to days long travel on the weekends. Which is fine, that's what they signed on for. But I have a hard time blaming a college-aged kid for deferring what should be bi decisions regarding major, course selection, and academic progress to their advisors or coaches when they got up at 5 AM to lift weights, went to team breakfast at 6:30, went to study Hall at 7:30, class from 9-Noon, meetings and film at 1, trainers room until 2, practice until 5 or 6, quick dinner with a nutritionist, tutoring until 10, and in bed by 11 to do it all again tomorrow.
Again, the expectation should be that they are on top of their academics as well as their athletics but what's actually realistic and reasonable? Nevermind that many P5 schools use presidential waivers to admit under prepared high school kids that are barely meeting NCAA requirements.
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