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re: NCAA to open door for transfers to play immediately?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:13 pm to CNB
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:13 pm to CNB
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Coaches who get paid millions and millions every year can leave whenever the frick they want and coach immediately, why can't players?
coaches also have contracts and monetary damages they must pay in the form of buyouts if they leave before their contracts runs out. What this proposal would be is a year to year free agency system. Professional athletes don't even have that much freedom.
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Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:14 pm to lsufball19
I don't agree with THAT but I do think the rules for transfer should be more lenient, like a coach leaving or something.
Or if it's based on academic reasons.
Or if it's based on academic reasons.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:18 pm to CNB
quote:Honestly, if you truly want to make it "college athletics", shouldnt the students need to actually be able to get into the school based on academic merit first?
Let's continue to run the college athletics like a prison because "that's how it always be"
Calling the big sports college athletics at this point is almost laughable
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:22 pm to lsupride87
You are absolutely correct.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:22 pm to lsupride87
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Honestly, if you truly want to make it "college athletics", shouldnt the students need to actually be able to get into the school based on academic merit first?
yes, and this seems to be lost on a lot of people, including athletic departments at schools.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:25 pm to CNB
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I don't agree with THAT but I do think the rules for transfer should be more lenient, like a coach leaving or something.
Agreed, as long as it’s not too lenient it will be fine. Otherwise, roster turnover would be quite chaotic and no coach would ever know what to expect on their roster year to year. Would need transfer windows also.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:21 pm to Bham Bammer
Sure some dopey stud kids will leave a small school here and there to race off to a big school (taking the chance that it doesn't work out as well for them as they've had it), but I think it's about to level the field some.
Instead of schools having 2 and 3 deep of 5-star players, those guys are going to say wait a second I thought I was gonna be playing...I can be the real deal over there and make their squad legit (plus players off "team B" will be communicating the same). If coach from "team A" now doesn't constantly re-recruit his current players they are likely to be poached right off his squad. Most people know that Tua had been talking of leaving Alabama if he didn't get to play that National Title game, so it was a blessing that all went down as it did where Saban made the move. Now, Nick has to re-recruit Hurts, because the team appears to be Tua's going forwards and more than 85% of the teams in division 1 would probably love to have Jalen Hurts starting for them...heck probably all but 1 or 2 in the SEC...but Saban would love to maintain the depth of a 25-2 5-star starter.
I was a head coach at a ranked D-3 for more than a decade and this was always a huge issue. We got studs poached and we would quietly solicit through "many different methods" to poach players from our main competitors to gain.
Instead of schools having 2 and 3 deep of 5-star players, those guys are going to say wait a second I thought I was gonna be playing...I can be the real deal over there and make their squad legit (plus players off "team B" will be communicating the same). If coach from "team A" now doesn't constantly re-recruit his current players they are likely to be poached right off his squad. Most people know that Tua had been talking of leaving Alabama if he didn't get to play that National Title game, so it was a blessing that all went down as it did where Saban made the move. Now, Nick has to re-recruit Hurts, because the team appears to be Tua's going forwards and more than 85% of the teams in division 1 would probably love to have Jalen Hurts starting for them...heck probably all but 1 or 2 in the SEC...but Saban would love to maintain the depth of a 25-2 5-star starter.
I was a head coach at a ranked D-3 for more than a decade and this was always a huge issue. We got studs poached and we would quietly solicit through "many different methods" to poach players from our main competitors to gain.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:25 pm to CNB
Like a prison?
Well sign me up for that prison. Where you get a free education, free room, free top notch unlimited food with a nutritionist, first availability to sign up for the classes you want, free tutors, free personal academic advisors who cater to your needs, the best private rooms to study in with the most up to date technology, top notch coaches to help you advance your skills, top notch trainers and medical personal, free healthcare, the best strength and conditioning coaches, the clothes, the shoes, and the ability to showcase your talents to future employers. And that’s not even getting into your life on a college campus as an athlete and all the girls and free drinks that entails. Oh and you get to pick which “prison” you want to go to. You can even get together with your buddies and all pick the same “prison” together.
Yes there are some isolated absolute sob stories of athletes too poor to go home for their grandmothers funeral and what not and those things should be addressed. But every former college athlete I know loved their time playing sports and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Well sign me up for that prison. Where you get a free education, free room, free top notch unlimited food with a nutritionist, first availability to sign up for the classes you want, free tutors, free personal academic advisors who cater to your needs, the best private rooms to study in with the most up to date technology, top notch coaches to help you advance your skills, top notch trainers and medical personal, free healthcare, the best strength and conditioning coaches, the clothes, the shoes, and the ability to showcase your talents to future employers. And that’s not even getting into your life on a college campus as an athlete and all the girls and free drinks that entails. Oh and you get to pick which “prison” you want to go to. You can even get together with your buddies and all pick the same “prison” together.
Yes there are some isolated absolute sob stories of athletes too poor to go home for their grandmothers funeral and what not and those things should be addressed. But every former college athlete I know loved their time playing sports and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:27 pm to Swoopin
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Good for the students. That's what matters in the end.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:40 pm to IAmReality
quote:They won't be able to. This type of move would be along the same lines as entitlements, and we know taking those back are virtually impossible.
If they implement this horrible idea I see them quickly changing it back after these nightmare hypothetical become reality.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 1:56 pm to coachcrisp
Trey Wingo lauded this on Mike & Trey on ESPN lauded this proposal by saying that "... It will stop teams that are five deep at positions from stockpiling talent.
Wonder who he was referring to.
Wonder who he was referring to.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:21 pm to Paul B Ammer
I like it too...I think in this day and age of free agency that we (and more importantly, the player) see it in all sports, when the scholarships that these athletes get are more than 85% "1 year at a time", so no guarantee for them. If you aren't taking care of things, you'll lose the "athletic scholarship" part of your aid package to another player...of course each school has their tricks to stretch their #'s. You may have a kid with good HS GPA from home state or border state and oh goodie, y'all have 3 academic scholarships and some grants that pay for everything. Some schools want transfers (older students), so they wave tons of fees and give tons of academic and internal scholarships for it...that will be interesting with the new transfers as well and I bet there will be new stuff added some places.
Plus, we have coaches leaving all over the place and we're expecting kids to stay?!?!
Plus, we have coaches leaving all over the place and we're expecting kids to stay?!?!
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:44 pm to Bham Bammer
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SIAP.
ESPN host Matt Schick put a tweet out today: I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.
I would be more inclined to agree if it were limited to the first two years of eligibility and grad transfers. Those would be the most common years that you either love or hate your school and/or need to find another school for a grad program.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:48 pm to thecoachcarter
You can already transfer w/o penalty of your coach leaves. You just need to get a waiver from the conference, not the school.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:32 pm to Paul B Ammer
Quote: You can already transfer w/o penalty if your coach leaves. You just need to get a waiver from the conference, not the school.
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That's not true...unless you drop divisions and most players do not want nor necessarily need to do that! If your coach and school has some crazy penalty situation (Ole Miss) then players could, but to not lose a year, the player still had to be a graduate. Know your facts...
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That's not true...unless you drop divisions and most players do not want nor necessarily need to do that! If your coach and school has some crazy penalty situation (Ole Miss) then players could, but to not lose a year, the player still had to be a graduate. Know your facts...
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:43 pm to thecoachcarter
Actually it is a fact. Players can transfer if a coach leaves and not sit out a year. Players can also transfer if the demonstrate a valid need (educational, economic,or medical). Again you just need a waiver.
This wholesale transfer of talent will just penalize those who are good at identifying talent. It will impact roster of good team unless they are granted extra scholarships to replace those that are lost.
This wholesale transfer of talent will just penalize those who are good at identifying talent. It will impact roster of good team unless they are granted extra scholarships to replace those that are lost.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:54 pm to Paul B Ammer
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Actually it is a fact. Players can transfer if a coach leaves and not sit out a year.
Paul, you keep saying this, but it's 100% incorrect. Maybe at one time this was a rule, but it's not anymore.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 4:07 pm to Bham Bammer
Say a Quarterback gets upset who plays for Alabama -- he's been sitting on the bench all year and thinks he deserves to be starting. Said quarterback decides to transfer to Auburn because he's so mad -- now, doesn't Alabama have to change their entire manner of communicating their plays? Or are we still capable of blocking players from transferring into the SEC and only accept it if they go to the JUCO route?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 4:09 pm to Bham Bammer
The NFL needs to foot the bill for their own developmental league to make room for true student athletes.
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 4:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Nothing has been said about that. I'd think schools would still have some ability to block a transfer to certain schools.
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