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re: NCAA to open door for transfers to play immediately?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:33 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:33 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
quote:What?
JMO but that would be a big F mistake.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:34 pm to pvilleguru
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Until they allow players to make money
as long as Title IX exists, players will never be paid because the money isn't there to pay all college athletes. Title IX would never allow for only football players to be padi, and ADs cannot afford to pay everyone. And this also goes back to non-P5 and even many P5 schools. Most schools are not turning a profit every year in the AD. Now go add several million dollars they have to pay out to athletes each year. College athletics would be over.
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I will always care about the players more than the programs.
If you care about college football surviving you should care about more than just players getting paid. Or pay them, but make them take out student loans and pay their way through school. They're getting paid plenty, just not in the form of tangible money.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:34 pm to The Baker
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Seriously, I think this hurts the Bama, OSU, UGA's of the world more than other schools.
We have actually been a huge beneficiary of this kind of thing lately. Maurice Smith, Jake Ganus, Greyson Lambert, JR Reed.
The way this will work is same as it works now: college coaches can't directly recruit player at another school. It is incumbent upon the players do what Malik Zaire or Everett Golson to do (announce publicly that they're transferring, leave, go on some visits to possible landing spots, and pick one) OR if they're truly unhappy to have their old HS coach put word out to other college coaches that they have a former player interested in transferring as a sort of middle man.
This not only gives the students/players more longterm options, it gives them some leverage in a market where they current;y are not only receiving no wages but are prohibited from seeking out any individual endorsements or profitization off of their likeness. God willing, this would be a good step toward finally allowing revenue sports and olympians to actually participate as capitalists in our society rather than be solely capitalized on during their college years.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:36 pm to tylerdurden24
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God willing, this would be a good step toward finally allowing revenue sports and olympians to actually participate as capitalists in our society rather than be solely capitalized on during their college years.
Bless their poor abused hearts.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:36 pm to Bham Bammer
Talk about opening the door for free-agency and cheating. They're about to open the door to the Wild-West. The winners in all of this, as usual, will be the big boys that have the most money and resources. We're moving away from parity not toward it.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:36 pm to pvilleguru
Maybe they should tier it? Something like:
-If you've been at a school for one season or less you have to sit out a year.
-If you've been at a school for two seasons you must sit out 5 or 6 games.
-If you've been at a school for three seasons you can transfer and play immediately.
Just a thought. I don't like the idea of signing a guy and him bailing halfway through fall camp of his freshman year and going over to a different team where he can play right away.
-If you've been at a school for one season or less you have to sit out a year.
-If you've been at a school for two seasons you must sit out 5 or 6 games.
-If you've been at a school for three seasons you can transfer and play immediately.
Just a thought. I don't like the idea of signing a guy and him bailing halfway through fall camp of his freshman year and going over to a different team where he can play right away.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:37 pm to moneyg
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Do you have any concern for the game itself?
No. The game will adapt, the game always does.
If anything this might help the sport in the court of law. The real threat to college football isn't this, it is some judge declaring the whole damn thing to be a labor issue and suddenly kids are complete free agents who are paid for their service. THAT will kill the game.
This is a halfway compromise that the NCAA can hold up in court as an example for them doing the best they can for "student athletes."
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:37 pm to Bham Bammer
That would not be good. We don't need free agency and wholesale transfers.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:38 pm to tylerdurden24
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This not only gives the students/players more longterm options, it gives them some leverage in a market where they current;y are not only receiving no wages but are prohibited from seeking out any individual endorsements or profitization off of their likeness. God willing, this would be a good step toward finally allowing revenue sports and olympians to actually participate as capitalists in our society rather than be solely capitalized on during their college years.
How would allowing penalty free transfers give the players more leverage if they're not getting paid to begin with? Leverage to demand their current schools do what? Be better or just give them starting jobs if they're on the bench? Leverage them to pay them under the table?
And you said allowing "revenue producing sports." Title IX will prevent schools from delineating. You either pay all of them or none of them.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:39 pm to lsufball19
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as long as Title IX exists, players will never be paid because the money isn't there to pay all college athletes. Title IX would never allow for only football players to be padi, and ADs cannot afford to pay everyone. And this also goes back to non-P5 and even many P5 schools. Most schools are not turning a profit every year in the AD. Now go add several million dollars they have to pay out to athletes each year. College athletics would be over.
The solution is honestly really easy: Just relax the arcane rules on players selling their bowl jerseys, autographs, individual sponsorship deals with Nike or EA Sports. To wit, if Nike wants to sponsor a track and field athlete because they're going to the olympics, don't screw them over like the NCAA did to Jeremy Bloom because they are endorsed as a result of their participation on an olympic squad.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:42 pm to Bham Bammer
You can transfer and play immediately under certain conditions, coaching change, economic hardship, etc. You just have to apply for a waver from the conference you are leaving. 95% of them are approved.
This would probably result in a free-for-all, with coaches trying to call opposing players all year long.
This would probably result in a free-for-all, with coaches trying to call opposing players all year long.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:42 pm to lsufball19
If you let them make money off their name, there's not shite Title IX can do.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:42 pm to tylerdurden24
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Maurice Smith, Jake Ganus, Greyson Lambert, JR Reed.
Didn't follow your entire conversation, so if I am misreading....sorry.
Ganus was allowed because his program shut their doors. Smith and Lambert were a graduate transfers, and I THINK Reed sat a year.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:44 pm to Paul B Ammer
I definitely don't have the numbers but I don't think the waivers are granted at anything close to a 95% rate. And I'm pretty positive that coaching change is not one of the things you can apply for a waiver for.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:46 pm to tylerdurden24
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The solution is honestly really easy: Just relax the arcane rules on players selling their bowl jerseys, autographs, individual sponsorship deals with Nike or EA Sports. To wit, if Nike wants to sponsor a track and field athlete because they're going to the olympics, don't screw them over like the NCAA did to Jeremy Bloom because they are endorsed as a result of their participation on an olympic squad.
Would it be fair to make student athletes take out student loans to cover all their expenses? There is certainly a lot of value in what they do receive. They are essentially given the best internship in the world and a nation-wide television platform to showcase their skills. They also don't pay for anything the entire time they're in college. And if their talent doesn't translate to the next level, they are given a college education free of cost. Either way, the mere existence of these athletic scholarships provides them with the tools to increase their future earning capacities. And without them, many of these players would have little options for their future.
And being relaxed on rules preventing athletes from selling their jerseys and whatnot will have very minimal effect and the vast majority of athletes. As far as endorsements, schools have contracts with brands. You're going to get into a lot of litigation when a team has a sponsored by Nike has a player sign a deal with Under Armour.
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:46 pm to tylerdurden24
quote:What you're referring to would be the biggest cluster-frick in the history of amateur sports in America. It would be similar to pro athletes being able to freely move from one team to another.
The way this will work is same as it works now: college coaches can't directly recruit player at another school. It is incumbent upon the players do what Malik Zaire or Everett Golson to do (announce publicly that they're transferring, leave, go on some visits to possible landing spots, and pick one) OR if they're truly unhappy to have their old HS coach put word out to other college coaches that they have a former player interested in transferring as a sort of middle man.
This not only gives the students/players more longterm options, it gives them some leverage in a market where they current;y are not only receiving no wages but are prohibited from seeking out any individual endorsements or profitization off of their likeness. God willing, this would be a good step toward finally allowing revenue sports and olympians to actually participate as capitalists in our society rather than be solely capitalized on during their college years.
Son, you need to get yourself out of that socialist, classroom and into the real world.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:47 pm to lsufball19
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How would allowing penalty free transfers give the players more leverage if they're not getting paid to begin with? Leverage to demand their current schools do what? Be better or just give them starting jobs if they're on the bench? Leverage them to pay them under the table?
Leverage that they could actually leave without having to postpone their play for a penalty year if they don't like their current situation. Right now, I'd wager that a big reason some guys buried on the depth chart at a lot of P5 schools bother staying is because the only out they have comes with a pretty heavy time restriction relative to their ability to play. They're forced to gamble their time by staying or transferring when it's not necessary.
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And you said allowing "revenue producing sports." Title IX will prevent schools from delineating. You either pay all of them or none of them.
I said revenue producing (football and basketball) AND olympians (T&F, Gymnastics, Swimming, etc) and I never said anything about schools paying them. Title IX has no bearing with an individual participating in the free market. In an ideal world, schools would at least be willing to provide counsel to student-athletes in any contract negotiations (same as they currently do during run-ins with the law, appeals to the NCAA, and pursuit of insurance for loss of draft potential from injury) and so long as they provide that counsel to all student-athletes that need it, they would be within the bounds of Title IX
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:47 pm to lsufball19
What about when a player puts his signed jersey on Ebay and a booster bids $75,000 for an item that is worth $200? 
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:48 pm to lsufball19
quote:Many of them are pushed through the easiest classes on campus just to stay eligible.
they are given a college education free of cost.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 3:49 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:Sounds like that item was worth $75,000.
What about when a player puts his signed jersey on Ebay and a booster bids $75,000 for an item that is worth $200?
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