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re: NCAA to open door for transfers to play immediately?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:25 pm to Bham Bammer
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:25 pm to Bham Bammer
Good.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:26 pm to lsufball19
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And if Michael Oher, a guy who barely qualified out of high school, is able to earn a degree and make the SEC honor roll twice, anyone can do it.
Is this a bad time to bring up Ole Miss's dubious academic reputation?
Seriously, though, any athletic program can graduate any student with something as long as the kid will just show up and try. Doesn't make it right and it's hardly justification for not changing things for the better for students.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:28 pm to bamasgot13
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Big Ben & the kid from Wyoming would be in such high demand that schools like Bama, AU, OSU, etc would be recruiting them and those schools would suffer
Then somebody is still sitting out at those schools who will then transfer.
What this actually means is certain teams will have a far more difficult time stockpiling position players.
It's a win for all around competitiveness for college football and the players.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:30 pm to Bham Bammer
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Trying to eliminate free agency in college sports I suppose.
That's fine if they were openly paid players but they are not.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:34 pm to Bham Bammer
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I mean, I think it would hurt the lesser schools way more. Yes, bench warmers are going to transfer. But then really good players will want to transfer in to be a part of that where they see a need.
Doubt it. You won't see nearly as many starters on any team transfer as you will 2nd stringers on big name teams.
Most players are happy where they are if they are playing especially big time NFL prospect players because the NFL doesn't give a shite if you played for Bama or Bobs community college. If you are good, they will take you. Very little of how an NFL team perceives a player is based on how they played that year in college and has far more to do with measurables and how they do at the combine.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:34 pm to AshLSU
How can anyone support this?
Every year you are not only recruiting new players, but recruiting players from other teams, as well as recruiting the players on your own team to stay.
It's as bad as the one and done thing in college basketball. You'll never reliably be able to build a team of any kind.
Between immediate transfers and leaving early for the draft, star players will be playing hopscotch.
If they implement this horrible idea I see them quickly changing it back after these nightmare hypothetical become reality.
Every year you are not only recruiting new players, but recruiting players from other teams, as well as recruiting the players on your own team to stay.
It's as bad as the one and done thing in college basketball. You'll never reliably be able to build a team of any kind.
Between immediate transfers and leaving early for the draft, star players will be playing hopscotch.
If they implement this horrible idea I see them quickly changing it back after these nightmare hypothetical become reality.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:35 pm to ehidal1
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Otherwise, how do you keep coaches from recruiting kids from other teams?
The rule that coaches can't contact signed kids will still apply. The student would have to reach out to the university. It won't go on anymore than it already does.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:37 pm to Bham Bammer
Maybe coaches should have to sit out a year when they switch jobs too
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:40 pm to IAmReality
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Every year you are not only recruiting new players, but recruiting players from other teams, as well as recruiting the players on your own team to stay.
All of this already happens, players will jsut get to start playing immediately rather than wait a year.
And correct me if I'm wrong here but it sounds like nothing will have changed with regards to coaches having a say on where a player can transfer (i.e rivals, conference teams, etc), nor that all of asudden the rules against coaches having direct contact with players on another team have suddenly gone away. Players will just have a slightly better backup option than they did before.
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It's as bad as the one and done thing in college basketball. You'll never reliably be able to build a team of any kind.
Overreaction much?
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Between immediate transfers and leaving early for the draft, star players will be playing hopscotch.
Based on what?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 7:42 pm to tylerdurden24
The reasonable compromise here is to grant a single immeadiate transfer without penalty in the first two years of eligibility. Beyond that you want to keep the 1 year sit out rule to discourage people blowing up their progress to graduation. Grad students should be able to transfer as they currently can.
All considerations here should be to the benefit of the student rather then the program IMO.
With football, we also need to limit activities to one semester to better integrate athletes into student Life. Supervised off season workouts and Spring Football practices need to be killed.
All considerations here should be to the benefit of the student rather then the program IMO.
With football, we also need to limit activities to one semester to better integrate athletes into student Life. Supervised off season workouts and Spring Football practices need to be killed.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 7:49 pm to droliver
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Supervised off season workouts and Spring Football practices need to be killed.
I agree but it won't happen so long as S&C coordinators are making 6 figures and so long as there's a media market for offseason football (beat writers, TV coverage of spring games, etc)
Posted on 1/17/18 at 7:50 pm to Bham Bammer
Good. Keeps coaches honest on their promises.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:47 am to pvilleguru
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I have more concern for the players, especially if they are dead set on keeping them amateurs.
...bleeding heart.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:53 am to cardboardboxer
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No. The game will adapt, the game always does
It will adapt to an even more competitive situation when it comes to player acquisition. This is like free agency in the NFL without contracts.
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If anything this might help the sport in the court of law. The real threat to college football isn't this, it is some judge declaring the whole damn thing to be a labor issue and suddenly kids are complete free agents who are paid for their service. THAT will kill the game.
I'm not going to argue the purely legal specifics, because I can't. I can tell you that logically, these are voluntary agreements and anyone who doesn't want to participate does not have to.
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This is a halfway compromise that the NCAA can hold up in court as an example for them doing the best they can for "student athletes."
This is way more than halfway, and if a labor issue is a possibility, I see no proof that this move would make it less of an issue.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 9:57 am to Bham Bammer
We need to make them qualify with the rest of the students. I don’t care if it would water the talent down to the level of the Ivy Leage, I root for the team not the players.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:34 am to tylerdurden24
I don’t know why people want to ruin college sports. And this is a step in that direction. And there have been even worse suggestions in this thread.
Firstly this crap about players should be paid. Nobody is keeping anybody from cashing in on their likeness or name. They are prohibited from cashing in and remaining eligible. And the only reason their name is worth anything is because of who they play for. Obannon couldn’t sell his autograph for five dollars if he had gone to Europe to play basketball or played semipro in the states. He made money for UCLA and the NCAA like the Chinese guy making iPhones makes money for Apple. LSU had a number 1 overall draft pick having a record year with Ben Simmons and the Pmac was nearly empty some nights because LSU was losing. If we had 8 guys averaging ten points a game with no future NBA players on the team, but we were a top 5 team the place would be packed.
To put it another way, if next year the courts came down against the NCAA and instead of changing they just shut down for a year. And all current players got together and started semipro teams. All LSU players went to the Baton Rouge Bombers or some shite . And LSU announced they would begin play the next year with walkons. Tiger stadium would have 70,000 (if not a sellout) or more and those ex players could play their games in a high school stadium with plenty of seats left over
Secondly there was too many stupid things said in this thread to refute them all. But this would be a horrible idea for many of the reasons stated and some that weren’t even thought of yet.
Firstly this crap about players should be paid. Nobody is keeping anybody from cashing in on their likeness or name. They are prohibited from cashing in and remaining eligible. And the only reason their name is worth anything is because of who they play for. Obannon couldn’t sell his autograph for five dollars if he had gone to Europe to play basketball or played semipro in the states. He made money for UCLA and the NCAA like the Chinese guy making iPhones makes money for Apple. LSU had a number 1 overall draft pick having a record year with Ben Simmons and the Pmac was nearly empty some nights because LSU was losing. If we had 8 guys averaging ten points a game with no future NBA players on the team, but we were a top 5 team the place would be packed.
To put it another way, if next year the courts came down against the NCAA and instead of changing they just shut down for a year. And all current players got together and started semipro teams. All LSU players went to the Baton Rouge Bombers or some shite . And LSU announced they would begin play the next year with walkons. Tiger stadium would have 70,000 (if not a sellout) or more and those ex players could play their games in a high school stadium with plenty of seats left over
Secondly there was too many stupid things said in this thread to refute them all. But this would be a horrible idea for many of the reasons stated and some that weren’t even thought of yet.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:39 am to bigDgator
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don’t care if it would water the talent down to the level of the Ivy Leage, I root for the team not the players.
You ever seen attendence at an Ivy League game?
And no,you wouldn't be there rooting for the "team" if
that was the case.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:03 pm to Razor Dawg
Well, I just thought this though some more. This is why the NCAA put the 25 man hard cap in there now. A team like Bama wants to poach a little school's kicker? Gonna cost a scholly from next year's recruiting class. Replace 7 or 8 quality backups who transferred out to start somewhere else? Gonna cost 7 or 8 schollies from next year's recruiting class. It is going to start hurting bigger schools in a hurry.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:05 pm to Bham Bammer
According to twatter, this is still far away from actually happening.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:06 pm to Bham Bammer
I don't get why people have such a huge problem with this.
Coaches who get paid millions and millions every year can leave whenever the frick they want and coach immediately, why can't players?
Let's continue to run the college athletics like a prison because "that's how it always be"
Coaches who get paid millions and millions every year can leave whenever the frick they want and coach immediately, why can't players?
Let's continue to run the college athletics like a prison because "that's how it always be"
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