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Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:33 pm to Gatorbait2008
They got what they deserve.
And still getting it, 45-16 to Mizzery. 42-7 to UGA the week before. Losers of 4 in a row. Including "homecoming".
And still getting it, 45-16 to Mizzery. 42-7 to UGA the week before. Losers of 4 in a row. Including "homecoming".
Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:08 pm to tigercreole
I'm confused, at what point in the timeline did he dodge a game with LSU and get down with the shark.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:25 pm to cyde
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Sounds like the entire organization wanted to put their two cents in to how the team was coached. Almost the exact opposite of the setup Saban has.
The best thing Saban has done is telling the boosters and good old boys to GTFO at Alabama. That’s the only way a coach can control his program. Now Saban has the political capital do to that without pissing everyone off, but McElwain shouldn’thave had to worry about Spurrier roaming the halls trying to interject himself into the program. Spurrier should know better. Outside of trotting out for booster and fundraising meetings, there’s no reason Spurrier and Foley should be hanging around like they do.
McElwain should’ve been seeking every resource to improve the offense, but he should’ve been the one initiating it.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:40 pm to Gatorbait2008
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When McElwain arrived at Florida after three seasons at Colorado State, he expressed displeasure with the state of the Gators' football facilities, which had fallen behind those of other SEC programs such as Alabama, Georgia and Texas A&M. Florida did not have an indoor practice facility for football until its $17-million facility opened in 2015.
"One of the biggest problems at Florida is that [former head coach] [Steve] Spurrier never asked for anything," a source said. "He told [former athletic director] [Jeremy] Foley he'd just go beat everybody with less."
There’s your problem right there. “The way Spurrier did it” mentality is a toxic mentality to have. It will be an albatross to Florida. No different than Alabama spending 25 years being slaves to the way Bryant did things.
For all the love Foley gets, sounds like he’s partly to blame for some of the issues down there.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 1:46 pm to Gatorbait2008
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In the end, though, frustration boiled over -- a culmination of issues over facilities, on-field performance and, ultimately, McElwain's recent comments about alleged death threats -- and Florida is looking for a new football coach, its fifth since Spurrier retired in 2001. "There were a lot of issues, and last week was kind of the tipping point of, 'This was not going to work,'" a UF source said. I quoted some of the points in the article the full article is pretty long.
In short .. that is EXACTLY 'why' Dan Mullen won't even talk to UF about their HC job. They are broke.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:25 pm to Gatorbait2008
If I'm a potential hire reading this, I'm probably thinking, "I don't want any part of the good ole boy club they've got at Florida." Spurrier needs to move on away and stay on the golf course. There's no place for him to be "dropping by" the complex and into offensive coaches' meetings and giving unsolicited (for Louisiana folks, that means unasked for) advice, and telling them he's got these great plays drawn up. Walking through the press box during a game and bashing the coaching staff??? WTH?
On top of that, Mac's winning SEC East titles -that may be like winning the American Athletic Conference, but, hey. Nobody else was doing it. The school and fans are still bashing him for losing to Alabama and FSU. Those are two perennial contenders. He'd won 10 games a season, for crying out loud. Florida was still holding onto Spurrier era fiscal cheapness regarding facilities, while wanting him to fire his S&C guy. How about a little bit of personal accountability for the situation.
Florida fans, your program has some deep issues that losing one coach and firing two others aren't going to fix.
But, hey. Don't listen to me. LSU and Georgia are enjoying the situation.
On top of that, Mac's winning SEC East titles -that may be like winning the American Athletic Conference, but, hey. Nobody else was doing it. The school and fans are still bashing him for losing to Alabama and FSU. Those are two perennial contenders. He'd won 10 games a season, for crying out loud. Florida was still holding onto Spurrier era fiscal cheapness regarding facilities, while wanting him to fire his S&C guy. How about a little bit of personal accountability for the situation.
Florida fans, your program has some deep issues that losing one coach and firing two others aren't going to fix.
But, hey. Don't listen to me. LSU and Georgia are enjoying the situation.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:27 pm to Gatorbait2008
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They also wanted McElwain to consider replacing offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier, who eventually rece"ived a contract extension this summer.
Wait, so they're saying on one hand they told him to move on from Nussmeier but then went ahead and approved a contract extension before this season?
Sounds like revisionist history.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 2:49 pm to thunderbird1100
Jim actually demanded the contract extension and was given it because he was the head coach, and the facility wanted to do as he wished.
Mac controlled it, he just did it poorly. He didn't listen to advice, clearly good advice because he was stubborn and too full of himself to listen to anyone. His offense was the worst I've ever seen(including Muschamp), his S&C was awful, his special teams are deplorable. All three run by his buddies at coaches. Kent, Nuss, and Nord are his three buddies he brought here, despite not being qualified for their positions. Skipper as well. All four survived last year despite all four being utter disappointments.
We don't like losing, we don't like failure. It's why UF has the best athletic department in the SEC.
Us trying to save our brand by telling the coach he needs to fix his issues is not an issue. Mac was the issue. He was stubborn, arrogant, and sadly, a bad head coach.
Mac controlled it, he just did it poorly. He didn't listen to advice, clearly good advice because he was stubborn and too full of himself to listen to anyone. His offense was the worst I've ever seen(including Muschamp), his S&C was awful, his special teams are deplorable. All three run by his buddies at coaches. Kent, Nuss, and Nord are his three buddies he brought here, despite not being qualified for their positions. Skipper as well. All four survived last year despite all four being utter disappointments.
We don't like losing, we don't like failure. It's why UF has the best athletic department in the SEC.
Us trying to save our brand by telling the coach he needs to fix his issues is not an issue. Mac was the issue. He was stubborn, arrogant, and sadly, a bad head coach.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:00 pm to Gatorbait2008
I always thought that the UF Program was fail proof, but I never realized how fricked up the Administration has been over the years. With their money and recruiting base, you would be hard pressed to find a coach to frick it up, however besides Spurrier and UM, the administration seems to find someone.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:02 pm to Irons Puppet
In 3 years Florida will remember fondly of the times they made it to Atlanta 2 years in a row.
They will never be able to get a good coach as long a OBC has an office in the athletic complex.
They will never be able to get a good coach as long a OBC has an office in the athletic complex.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:08 pm to bbvdd
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"I want to leave him alone. I want him to have the freedom to go get 'em and [not to] think I'm looking over his shoulder. … It can become very difficult, so I'm trying to stay out of his hair and he knows I'm behind him, though."
Bobby Bowden said this after Jimbo took over at FSU. He also started spending long stretches in Panama City.
It would be a good idea for Spurrier to stay away from things for the next coach's sake too.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:11 pm to Gatorbait2008
With Foley and Spurrier actually on campus, I'd be surprised if any big-time coach would touch them with a 10 foot pole...that's an accident waiting for a place to happen.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:21 pm to Gatorbait2008
TL;DR
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:57 pm to bbvdd
quote:This is just dumb. When was the last time Florida didn't get the coach they were after? Ron Zook was a last-second hire because Spurrier left so abruptly. Foley wasn't left with many good options. Every coach since then has been Florida's top choice. Florida will get the coach they're after. Coaching hires are a crap shoot and the new one might not work out, but no coach is going to be afraid to come to Florida. Most would jump at the chance, even with Spurrier lurking around.
In 3 years Florida will remember fondly of the times they made it to Atlanta 2 years in a row.
They will never be able to get a good coach as long a OBC has an office in the athletic complex.
Good riddance to McElwain. He was toxic. That has been the biggest issue for this program the past few years.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 3:58 pm to LovetheLord
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If I'm a potential hire reading this, I'm probably thinking, "I don't want any part of the good ole boy club they've got at Florida." Spurrier needs to move on away and stay on the golf course. There's no place for him to be "dropping by" the complex and into offensive coaches' meetings and giving unsolicited (for Louisiana folks, that means unasked for) advice, and telling them he's got these great plays drawn up. Walking through the press box during a game and bashing the coaching staff??? WTH?
On top of that, Mac's winning SEC East titles -that may be like winning the American Athletic Conference, but, hey. Nobody else was doing it. The school and fans are still bashing him for losing to Alabama and FSU. Those are two perennial contenders. He'd won 10 games a season, for crying out loud. Florida was still holding onto Spurrier era fiscal cheapness regarding facilities, while wanting him to fire his S&C guy. How about a little bit of personal accountability for the situation.
Florida fans, your program has some deep issues that losing one coach and firing two others aren't going to fix.
But, hey. Don't listen to me. LSU and Georgia are enjoying the situation.
You can type as many paragraphs as you want trying to defend Mac, it doesn't change the fact that he's not a good head coach for a major program and him keeping around under performing assistants because they are his friends is laughable behavior.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:09 pm to cyde
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Sounds like the entire organization wanted to put their two cents in to how the team was coached. Almost the exact opposite of the setup Saban has.
You're about to get a sternly worded novel over this from Gatorbait2008. Look, if Steve Spurrier wants to drive a golf cart in circles around the practice field chunking empties at the skill players, you let him. This is fine.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:09 pm to Irons Puppet
Blame Foley. He never went for proven winners. He always went cheaper, and wouldn't spend money. Now UF is spending money, and a lot of it. So I am less concerned about a cheap hire this time. Stricklin hiring Howland shows me he isn't hesitant to go for a big hire. The UAA at UF is a little too involved, I agree. Foley needs to be gone as well. Not Spurrier though. He is not there for anything other than to help promote the program for boosters. I am thrilled he wants UF to be successful, and wasn't happy with the current staff and tried to help them. They clearly needed it. I guarantee if Bear Bryant walked into Saban's office and said hey I have a few ideas. Saban would listen with open arms. Because he isn't stubborn. Meyer took advice from the head coach of the Pats constantly. Spurrier called his former coach with issues and how to address them at UF. Great coaches listen and take in knowledge from successful men. It's how they become successful. If Mac can't take advice openly from one of the greatest offensive minds CFB has seen. That is on him.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:11 pm to monkeybutt
This. Don't use common sense. Alabama fans think Mac was unfairly fired. He is amazing after all. Guy almost scored two touchdowns sometimes!
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:17 pm to bbvdd
Alabama fired a guy who went 10-3 his final year. I guess other teams shouldn't care about success. Right?
Let's just be honest here.
Alabama is scared. That has to be it. Alabama is scared UF will bring in a spread offense coach who can recruit like Frost.
They know Florida as a pro style can't beat them.
They know spread offenses are the only style of offense that can beat Saban.
They know Florida is dangerous with a strong coach, because they have met Florida in Atlanta to many times.
They know Georgia is dangerous, and LSU could be dangerous, but both play Alabama ball. So they don't fear being toppled by either. No one out coaches Saban in a pro style battle.
UF is a wild card to Bama. They are the biggest threat with the right coach to stop the Saban dynasty. So Bama fans spamming the thread like no other defending Mac.
Seems a subconscious cry for UF to stay down. Knowing UF is the only program that can get the type of players and offense to give Saban a headache.
Let's just be honest here.
Alabama is scared. That has to be it. Alabama is scared UF will bring in a spread offense coach who can recruit like Frost.
They know Florida as a pro style can't beat them.
They know spread offenses are the only style of offense that can beat Saban.
They know Florida is dangerous with a strong coach, because they have met Florida in Atlanta to many times.
They know Georgia is dangerous, and LSU could be dangerous, but both play Alabama ball. So they don't fear being toppled by either. No one out coaches Saban in a pro style battle.
UF is a wild card to Bama. They are the biggest threat with the right coach to stop the Saban dynasty. So Bama fans spamming the thread like no other defending Mac.
Seems a subconscious cry for UF to stay down. Knowing UF is the only program that can get the type of players and offense to give Saban a headache.
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