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re: The inside story of McElwain at Florida
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:00 am to Gatorbait2008
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:00 am to Gatorbait2008
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His offenses are outside the top 100 three straight years. If you think no one can do better, well. You are kind of stupid.
Your problem is the same as many other fans that go through coaching changes, and that is this: you immediately assume the next guy will be better. He could be worse. Ask Tennessee fans how much better they think Jones is over Dooley. Maybe a little...but not enough to matter. Did LSU hire a better coach?
Your next head coach...unless it's one on this list...will have to recruit head to head against these guys for Florida talent:
Nick Saban
Kirby Smart
Jimbo Fisher
Mark Richt
Butch Davis
Charlie Strong
Lane Kiffin
Scott Frost
Those guys are a combined 57-11 right now. Five are undefeated in conference play and in first place in their divisions.
You guys can't afford to just hire someone decent. Decent would be the 9th best coach when added to that list. Spurrier and Meyer were HOF coaches, and to satisfy you guys and win at the level you demand, it will take another HOF coach.
My money says you don't get one.
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:05 am to GurleyGirl
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Sounds like they should hire Spurrier
My first thought. Offer him the job, if he turns it down, tell him to back off.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:06 am to RollDawgRoll
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Sounds like a bunch of meddling from Foley, Spurrier and others. McElwain got them to Atlanta twice and I'm not sure anyone could do much better with all the starters lost through the season.
He didn't really fit in at Florida. They like their coaches to be arrogant and talk shite. But still, there wasn't to dump him in the middle of the season.
Yup - the next Florida coach better get used to being treated like a beta cuck by the GOB admin and alumni base.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:11 am to Gatorbait2008
Spurrier is going to pull a Barry Alvarez and become the next coach of the Gators.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:12 am to GarnetStrand
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Spurrier is going to pull a Barry Alvarez and become the next coach of the Gators.
This would end badly.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:14 am to BamaGradinTn
For everybody else, or for Florida?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:15 am to GurleyGirl
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Sounds like they should hire Spurrier.
Well he did say he was interested in possibly coaching high school...
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:27 am to Gatorbait2008
McElwain shouldn't have added Nussmeier to his staff in the beginning. That was the first bad sign. Even after the hire and the first 2 years, he should've cut him loose. Then to have Foley still snooping around didn't help and then compound that with giving SOS an office down the hall. This was NEVER going to have a good ending. If Spurrier want to suggest plays, maybe he should have stayed in Columbia and not bailed on his team.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:42 am to Gatorbait2008
Yet another good coach fired simply because he isn't Nick Saban. If they don't meet Alabama twice in Atlanta, are we even having this conversation today?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:51 am to Gatorbait2008
What a freaking mess.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:57 am to Gatorbait2008
Mac seemed like an awkward dude, but that would suck having Spurrier and Foley around.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:04 pm to Gatorbait2008
The more public this is the better, no one in their right mind is going to want to coach with Foley and the quitter Spuirrier looking over their shoulder.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:13 pm to VFL1800FPD
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But if you have a guy who changed the game of football with his offense and you've had 3 straight offenses outside the top 100...maybe give the guy a listen.
Some very good coaches are proactive in gaining from others' expertise. Saban has brought Stoops and Kelly to Bama for that very purpose. It's what some shadow staff guys are for too. Maybe McElwain should've been receptive to at least listening to Spurrier's ideas.
Also, UF isn't the only school with previous coaches or ADs still involved to some degree. Dye, Fulmer, Alvarez...
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:18 pm to TidalSurge1
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Some very good coaches are proactive in gaining from others' expertise. Saban has brought Stoops and Kelly to Bama for that very purpose. It's what some shadow staff guys are for too. Maybe McElwain should've been receptive to at least listening to Spurrier's ideas.
One thing is independently consulting you seek another is the unprompted opinion of a guy who has a statue in the stadium. Good advice is good advice but it’s easier to take it from a friend than from a Mother in Law.
Spurrier nosing around will do Florida no good. His “ball plays” didn’t work all that well the last few times he called them anyways.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:21 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Nick Saban
Kirby Smart
Jimbo Fisher
Mark Richt
Butch Davis
Charlie Strong
Lane Kiffin
Scott Frost
Kiffin and Strong aren't getting the elite players. So not in play really.
Miami has always owned their area outside of Meyer being here. Orlando, Jacksonville, and Tampa are where UF needs to reclaim.
Scott Frost is going to be at UF or Nebraska. So no.
Smart, Saban, and Fisher are the main obsticles. A good UF coach can easily pull enough against them. Muschamp recruiting incredibly well. He just couldn't develop.
Mac was a bad recruiter. As seen by Muschamp, Meyer, Zook, and Spurrier. Who all significantly out recruited him. Recruiting is no an issue at UF for a decent recruiter. So this argument is blah at best. Pretty sure despite losing our coach, we still have the 2nd best class in the SEC. UF name holds weight.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:25 pm to Gatorbait2008
Can't believe people thought Mullen would leave the finely tuned MSU football machine for this mess.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:25 pm to r2d2
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One thing is independently consulting you seek another is the unprompted opinion of a guy who has a statue in the stadium. Good advice is good advice but it’s easier to take it from a friend than from a Mother in Law.
Spurrier nosing around will do Florida no good. His “ball plays” didn’t work all that well the last few times he called them anyways.
Well, McElwain and Nuss showed little to no progress in accomplishing one of the main things they were hired to do -- fix the offense. Just because Spurrier offered help, doesn't automatically mean he'd try to "meddle" in a new HC's offense. Spurrier would've been smarter to keep his efforts to help inside the program, instead of running his mouth about it.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:26 pm to CaptSpaulding
Fired because he isn't Saban?
He was fired because he ran his mouth behind the scenes. Didn't involve himself in the culture at UF. Never went other sporting events. Hired his friends and didn't fire the bad ones. Having the worst three years of offense at UF in 80 years. Kicking Grier out. Fake death threats. Lackluster recruiting. Lowest blue chip ratio in Rivals history. Poor weight room program. Not being around for his players(multiple reports he wouldn't meet during the day with them, and players have blamed him for the off the field issues).
Want me to keep going? Bama fans clearly want to stick by their OC. Take him back. Please. So the SEC can catch up. Guy is a shitty offensive mind without superior athletes to run his system. Can't adjust, stubborn, and incompetent.
Also, note Spurrier suggesting plays didn't bother Mac, Foley was the bigger issue. So those blaming Spurrier should...try reading?
He was fired because he ran his mouth behind the scenes. Didn't involve himself in the culture at UF. Never went other sporting events. Hired his friends and didn't fire the bad ones. Having the worst three years of offense at UF in 80 years. Kicking Grier out. Fake death threats. Lackluster recruiting. Lowest blue chip ratio in Rivals history. Poor weight room program. Not being around for his players(multiple reports he wouldn't meet during the day with them, and players have blamed him for the off the field issues).
Want me to keep going? Bama fans clearly want to stick by their OC. Take him back. Please. So the SEC can catch up. Guy is a shitty offensive mind without superior athletes to run his system. Can't adjust, stubborn, and incompetent.
Also, note Spurrier suggesting plays didn't bother Mac, Foley was the bigger issue. So those blaming Spurrier should...try reading?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:28 pm to TidalSurge1
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Well, McElwain and Nuss showed little to no progress in accomplishing one of the main things they were hired to do -- fix the offense. Just because Spurrier offered help, doesn't automatically mean he'd try to "meddle" in a new HC's offense.
This. Spurrier tried to help the man keep his job. Nuss and Mac aren't even in the same atmosphere as Spurrier when it comes to offense. Spurrier was hired with Mac's approval mind you. Mac was asked if he would have an issue with it, and said no.
I guarantee if Frost is here. SPurrier doesn't need to involve himself at all. Cause Frost is actually a good offensive mind.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:29 pm to TidalSurge1
Is it an Xs and Os problem? Or Jimmies and Joes.
Spurrier can't make an offense better with a few plays when the pieces are the same that fail over and over and over. The arrogance that he could help the offense this year is hilarious.
Spurrier can't make an offense better with a few plays when the pieces are the same that fail over and over and over. The arrogance that he could help the offense this year is hilarious.
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