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The inside story of McElwain at Florida

Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:13 am
Posted by Gatorbait2008
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:13 am
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UF administrators had urged McElwain to turn over the staff in the Gators' weight room because they believed workouts were unorganized and players weren't being adequately developed under Mike Kent, the director of strength and conditioning, who had followed McElwain to Florida from Colorado State.

They also wanted McElwain to consider replacing offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier, who eventually rece"ived a contract extension this summer. Nussmeier is one of his closest friends and succeeded McElwain as Alabama's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach in 2012 and spent two seasons there before leaving for Michigan in 2014.

"He was the kind of guy who would pull you close and then rabbit punch you," a UF source said. "He never let you in and tried to keep you off balance."

Spurrier told The State he tried to help as much as he could.

"Oh, yeah, I did that every week or so," Spurrier said, "just with Nussmeier and his staff, and they look at it. He's put some of them in. He's put a few in. I'll walk through there and give them a play every now [and] then, one or two plays, say, 'What'd you think about this? This was good for us.' Sometimes they actually use them, and sometimes it's foreign to them. Our offense was so much different from what they do here."

Those close to McElwain insist the coach was not bothered by Spurrier's presence. But having Foley, his influential and opinionated former boss whom he clashed with at times, still involved as emeritus athletic director was challenging. Multiple sources told ESPN that even though Foley was no longer the AD, it was clear he was still involved in athletic department matters.

McElwain felt underappreciated and bristled at Florida fans' frustrations about the team's offense.

"I mean, it's obviously one of those things that you have to constantly evaluate and get better at," McElwain said heading into the 2016 SEC title game. "I was also brought in here to get to Atlanta. How many years have I been here? OK."

In the end, though, frustration boiled over -- a culmination of issues over facilities, on-field performance and, ultimately, McElwain's recent comments about alleged death threats -- and Florida is looking for a new football coach, its fifth since Spurrier retired in 2001.

"There were a lot of issues, and last week was kind of the tipping point of, 'This was not going to work,'" a UF source said.


I quoted some of the points in the article the full article is pretty long.

TL;DR - Wouldn't fire his awful S&C coach despite a really bad workout program(see our injuries). Wouldn't fire Nuss. Was drama off the field.
Posted by RollDawgRoll
Member since Sep 2009
1944 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:21 am to
Sounds like a bunch of meddling from Foley, Spurrier and others. McElwain got them to Atlanta twice and I'm not sure anyone could do much better with all the starters lost through the season.

He didn't really fit in at Florida. They like their coaches to be arrogant and talk shite. But still, there wasn't to dump him in the middle of the season.
Posted by bgator85
Sarasota
Member since Aug 2007
6021 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:26 am to
McElwain clashed with almost everyone in and around the athletic department and booster organization. The guy was able to sour his relationship with two very different AD's within a 2 year span.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:27 am to
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Sounds like a bunch of meddling from Foley, Spurrier and others. McElwain got them to Atlanta twice and I'm not sure anyone could do much better with all the starters lost through the season.

He didn't really fit in at Florida. They like their coaches to be arrogant and talk shite. But still, there wasn't to dump him in the middle of the season.


A lot of the starters lost are direct result of his terrible training program. We lead the SEC in injuries for the last three years. Some are fluke, but others are results of a poor training program even the players have called out as being awful.

His offenses are outside the top 100 three straight years. If you think no one can do better, well. You are kind of stupid.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10808 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:33 am to
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Sounds like a bunch of meddling from Foley, Spurrier and others
quote:

With the Gators trailing 21-0 at the half in their eventual loss to Georgia, Spurrier walked through the press box and asked a handful of reporters, "What happened to the forward pass?"
Not a good look.
Posted by Bill Parker?
Member since Jan 2013
4468 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:34 am to
Insert bugs bunny with a saw here
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:36 am to
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With the Gators trailing 21-0 at the half in their eventual loss to Georgia, Spurrier walked through the press box and asked a handful of reporters, "What happened to the forward pass?"

SS is a drama queen; should have kept his mouth shut instead of publicly shitting on the whole situation
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19496 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:37 am to
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They like their coaches to be arrogant and talk shite.


So the problem was he didn't talk enough shite.
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6842 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:38 am to
Spurrier is a legend but it is not a good thing if he is still around that close to the program. No coach worth a damm will sing up for that. He quit because he wasn’t a top coach anymore. Move on.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12143 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:39 am to
Spurrier drawing up plays and giving them to the coaches is a red flag to me.

Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:41 am to
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A lot of the starters lost are direct result of his terrible training program. We lead the SEC in injuries for the last three years. Some are fluke, but others are results of a poor training program even the players have called out as being awful.

His offenses are outside the top 100 three straight years. If you think no one can do better, well. You are kind of stupid


Some of what you say is certainly valid. Holding on to Nuss and a bad S&C program were huge issues, but if the meddling is as portrayed then it will be a challenge for anyone to come in and be highly successful.

You see that sort of problem all the time. We had a chronic case of it at Bama post-Bryant and purging it can be really, really hard but it has to be done.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9056 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:42 am to
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Spurrier drawing up plays and giving them to the coaches is a red flag to me.


I see where youre coming from on this

But if you have a guy who changed the game of football with his offense and you've had 3 straight offenses outside the top 100...maybe give the guy a listen
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29650 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:42 am to
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If you think no one can do better, well. You are kind of stupid.


IDK, now that UF is the 4th or 5th best team in the Sunshine State...

FSU has a recent natty

Miami is back

FAU/UCF/USF all look skrong

Gators in free fall

we live in interesting times
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:44 am to
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But having Foley, his influential and opinionated former boss whom he clashed with at times, still involved as emeritus athletic director was challenging. Multiple sources told ESPN that even though Foley was no longer the AD, it was clear he was still involved in athletic department matters


The man may have been the best AD for many years. Lots of hardware in the main sports as well as "Olympic" Sports. But he either needs to ask for his old job back or get out of the way. I cannot believe UF forced him out.
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
6127 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:46 am to
They oughta make spurrier the AD at Florida
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13163 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:46 am to
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Spurrier drawing up plays and giving them to the coaches is a red flag to me.


Sounds like they should hire Spurrier.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:48 am to
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Spurrier is a legend but it is not a good thing if he is still around that close to the program. No coach worth a damm will sing up for that. He quit because he wasn’t a top coach anymore. Move on.



This could very well be problematic for hiring the next coach. Foley's continued hovering over the program isn't good either...you have to know who your boss is.

If I had to bet right now, I would bet that Florida fans are going to be disappointed with the hire.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 10:49 am
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25567 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:51 am to
Sounds like 2 of the last 3 head coaches were miserable there.

The other one was fired, but has his new team trending up from the mess leftover by Spurrier.

This could be a great solution to a bad fit or a trend of head coaches going the wrong direction. The AD needs to hit a home run, here. Or I would be looking at the old guard in Florida and inviting them to leave.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:56 am to
Urban had a fricken panic attack... UF administrators were B***ching at him because they thought he should have aspired for higher goals like winning the superbowl. Gator boosters are stupid.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20759 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:59 am to
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But if you have a guy who changed the game of football with his offense and you've had 3 straight offenses outside the top 100...maybe give the guy a listen


Sounds like they did listen and put in a few plays. What should they have done? Let Spurrier run the offense? Spurrier needed to keep an arms length and considering the way he left South Carolina, maybe he should stay away from giving any post mortems about McElwain.

The real red flag to me was McElwain's loyalty to Nuss. That's like having loyalty to a massive coronary. Shows you McElwain really wasn't cut out for a top shelf job like Florida.

Nonetheless, the next head coach at Florida should walk in and tell Foley and Spurrier thanks for their service but take a hike. Its nearly impossible to put together a championship caliber program if the Head Coach isn't the king of his own castle. Having old guard types like that take up oxygen in the AD is a recipe for disaster.

This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 11:05 am
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