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re: Southern Universities in 2026

Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:13 pm to
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
2469 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:13 pm to
That's it!

If I have a child accomplished enough to get a full ride to UGA, I am sending their asses there baby!
Posted by Gunny Hartman
Member since Jan 2021
1366 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:19 pm to
When I was in high school in the stone age you could get into Rice with an SAT score in the 1200's. I think the average was around 1230. If you had a solid B average and a 1,000 SAT you were fine for A&M and UT. The state schools used to be easy to get in but not necessarily easy to STAY in.

I barely prepared for the SAT (got one of those big books at the bookstore and spent a few hours doing practice problems) and took it once and I was accepted to A&M and UT. Now my three kids are drilling with an SAT tutor starting 9 months ahead of the PSAT and then we have other consultants proofing their essays just to apply to mostly good state schools. One of mine is applying to UF but after seeing the latest SAT scores it seems low odds. I have no idea how a state school like UF has so many kids now scoring in the 1450-1550 range. That's overlapping into Ivy+ territory.
This post was edited on 6/27/26 at 10:26 pm
Posted by Gunny Hartman
Member since Jan 2021
1366 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 10:23 pm to
Says the tard from an open admissions school that sports tranny purple and gold. Notice nobody on here is wringing their hands over getting into LSU. Just stay sober enough to scrawl an X on your application and you're in.
Posted by Gunga Din
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2020
3752 posts
Posted on 6/27/26 at 11:01 pm to
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I barely prepared for the SAT (got one of those big books at the bookstore and spent a few hours doing practice problems) and took it once and I was accepted to A&M and UT. Now my three kids are drilling with an SAT tutor starting 9 months ahead of the PSAT and then we have other consultants proofing their essays just to apply to mostly good state schools.


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When I was in high school in the stone age


I was pre stone age... mid 1970s

There were no "big books" to study for...

Here is how it worked....

Your junior year... you were supposed to sign up for the "college boards"...

So you asked what the "college boards" were.

They told you the SAT or the ACT... and they told you which one to take depending on where you wanted to go to college. We were an ACT state and I was going to go in state.

You took it once your junior year. Whatever you got... you got. You didn't take it twice. You sent it off to the schools you were considering. At OU back then you could probably get in with a 20 on the ACT if you had over a 3.0 GPA.

If you didn't do well on your one shot on the ACT/SAT... you just went to a regional state school... at least to start. If you had bad grades you went to JUCO.

Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
Orange Beach
Member since Oct 2017
2170 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:39 am to
Do admission offices have the resources to track student performance post-acceptance? My wife worked in admissions at Auburn and they didn’t have the resources nor staff to undertake that type of analysis.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 6:47 am
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
10974 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:53 am to
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Perhaps, but remember there is a severe case of grade inflation and dumbing down of standardized tests over the last several decades. It wasn't even possible to get over a 4.0 when I graduated high school, and a 4.0 was very uncommon.

^This. Making a 31-34 on the ACT now is like making a 24-28 20 years ago. They have all these classes and workshops in schools now that pretty much teach you how to "cheat" the ACT by choosing answer patterns. If someone made a 30+ when I was in school it was a big freaking deal. It didn't matter where it happened. Kids sure as hell didn't get "smarter" all of a sudden.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
27489 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:42 am to
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Public schools will give everyone a C to move them through. Private schools give everyone A's so the parents stay happy and keep paying that $50k a year in tuition.

Opposite here in Baton Rouge. Public kids that can’t read out loud have 3.7 GPA or 4.4 out of 5.0. Same kids would fail out of private.

The private schools are 10 times harder and the teachers try to prove their worth by having an even distribution of grades. It’s like they get pissed at all the smart kids making A’s on tests so they look for ways to get their grade down.

This is why certain populations don’t like standardized tests, it documents what you actually know. The private school kid with a 3.0 is scoring 28 on ACT and public school kid with 4.4 GPA is scoring 17.
This post was edited on 6/29/26 at 7:34 am
Posted by Cimarron
Member since Jun 2024
1153 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:03 am to
Kinda sad. A lot of kids that would love Georgia and that could easily do the work may never get the chance because Presidents and Trustees across the country feel they have to play this elitist game.
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
921 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:40 am to
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Making a 31-34 on the ACT now is like making a 24-28 20 years ago.


Respectfully, do you have any objective evidence to support this statement, other than subjective opinions, emotional pleas, or your personal intuition?

You also need to explain (1) the much lower acceptance rates that have accompanied rising scores at Southern universities and (2) the astronomical rise in rankings (presumably, if your thesis was true, then Southern colleges would be ranked similar to their positions 20 years ago, as every college would receive these falsely inflated standardized test scores).

Also, if the average ACT at UGA is “really” only a 26-27 (rather than a 32-33) does that mean the average Mississippi State student is only “really” scoring a 17-18 on the ACT, based on your readjusted metric accounting for “score inflation”?

Thank you in advance for your insight.
Posted by Demosthenian
Zetto, Granite Bowl, & points btwn
Member since Sep 2021
907 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 10:01 am to
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ranked in the most remunerative fields by the very same publication
Very interesting. I agree there is rampant grade inflation. But at least on the standardized testing side, is there empirical evidence to substantiate that test has been weakened, or it is that students have actually increased in testing knowledge, relative to a stable benchmark?
Posted by Dr Rosenrosen
Member since May 2006
4342 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 10:12 am to
The average test scores can also be skewed by the test optional policies. Some schools may only have a third of the class even reporting their scores. I'm not saying this is the case with UGA.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
4250 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 10:25 am to
Overall ranking for all Southern Universities 2026;

1 Duke (7)
2 Vanderbilt (17)
2 Rice (17)
4 Washington- St Louis (20)
5 Emory (24)
6 North Carolina (26)
6 Virginia (26)
8 Florida (30)
8 Texas (30)
10 Georgia Tech (32)
11 Georgia (46)
12 Texas A&M (51)
12 Florida State (51)
12 Virginia Tech (51)
12 Wake Forest (51)
12 William & Mary (51)
17 NC State (64)
17 Miami (64)
18 Tulane (69)
19 Clemson (75)
20 Baylor (88)
20 SMU(88)
20 South Florida (88)
23 Florida International (97)
23 TCU (97)
25 Auburn (102)
25 Missouri (102)
25 Tennessee (102)
25 St Louis (102)
29 Oklahoma (110)
29 UT- Dallas (110)
31 Elon (117)
31 George Mason (117)
31 Central Florida (117)
34 South Carolina (127)
35 UAB (132)
35 Houston (132)
37 Virginia Commonwealth (139)
38 Kentucky (143)
38 UNC Charlotte (143)
40 James Madison (151)
41 Louisville (158)
42 Alabama (169)
42 Ole Miss (169)
42 LSU (169)
42 Florida A&M (169)
42 Mercer (169)
47 Samford (179)
48 Arkansas (183)
48 Florida Atlantic (183)
50 Missouri Science & Tech (192)
50 East Carolina (192)
52 Texas Tech (198)
52 Georgia State (198)
52 UNC- Greensboro (198)
52 UNC- Wilmington (198)
52 St Thomas (198)
57 Mississippi St (208)
57 North Texas (208)
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 10:26 am
Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
48790 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 10:26 am to
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-- ACT range: 31-34
-- SAT range: 1360 - 1500
-- GPA range: 4.13 - 4.40
-- Acceptance rate: ~29%


In today's era of no child left behind, has HS and testing gotten easier over the last 25 years?
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
921 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 10:46 am to
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In today's era of no child left behind, has HS and testing gotten easier over the last 25 years?


Perhaps. Why don’t all universities have average student scores in the 30s, then? Whether you believe ACT scores are inflated is immaterial. For the sake of argument, let’s accept your thesis as true.

In that case, all schools enjoy an applicant pool of inflated ACT scores. Why have certain Southern universities outpaced other colleges in obtaining far higher scoring students? Whether scores are inflated is unimportant.

The fact remains that, relative to other universities, a strong subset of Southern colleges have beaten out their Southern peers and many formerly more illustrious Northern universities, will all schools playing in the same arena (i.e., the arena in which all students supposedly enjoy inflated scores).

To draw an analogy, no one cares that one makes $75k in 2026. In 1996, that would render him upper middle class. In modern day - with inflation - he belongs solidly to the plain middle class.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 10:47 am
Posted by New Money
Athens, GA
Member since Jun 2023
4412 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:11 pm to
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Do admission offices have the resources to track student performance post-acceptance? My wife worked in admissions at Auburn and they didn’t have the resources nor staff to undertake that type of analysis.


UGA tracks every student post-admission and uses that information in the admissions process. The admissions office knows what a GPA from one high school correlates to in performance at UGA compared to other high schools.
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
10974 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Respectfully, do you have any objective evidence to support this statement, other than subjective opinions, emotional pleas, or your personal intuition? You also need to explain (1) the much lower acceptance rates that have accompanied rising scores at Southern universities and (2) the astronomical rise in rankings (presumably, if your thesis was true, then Southern colleges would be ranked similar to their positions 20 years ago, as every college would receive these falsely inflated standardized test scores). Also, if the average ACT at UGA is “really” only a 26-27 (rather than a 32-33) does that mean the average Mississippi State student is only “really” scoring a 17-18 on the ACT, based on your readjusted metric accounting for “score inflation”? Thank you in advance for your insight.

The overall test is shorter taking the time pressure off. Also, the science part is optional meaning you can take it if you think it will help your score, or not if it will hurt it.

As I stated in my original post there are all kinds of workshops and special classes you can take to "beat" the ACT. A simple Google search will tell you pretty much what I've said as far as better test prep, numbers of time one retakes the test, and overall teaching test taking skills, aka "beating the test".

So, overall the number of 30+ scores have greatly increased in the last 10-15 years and has diluted the significance of a 30+

Also, to answer your question about State's average ACT score being 17-18 in my readjusted metric, yes at Ole Miss also. Go read the Ayers case if you want to know why.

Here is an article explaining the "increase" of 30+ scores and how it has taken away its significance.

LINK

A simple Google search will provide much data proving this. I'm also in education, and we have PD's on this stuff all the time. I've been part of the ACT "team" in our district to increase scores and provide these workshops.

ETA: I also forgot to add stacking. My score would've been 3-4 points higher if I had been allowed to do this.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Gunny Hartman
Member since Jan 2021
1366 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:46 pm to
The population in certain parts of the south keeps growing (Texas, FL, GA, TN, NC) so those states have colleges that continue to be more competitive over time. Also, normal kids from the northeast are pouring into the southeast to have non woke, enjoyable college experiences. All of that contributes. For schools in less densely populated states like Alabama and Arkansas it means you have a surge in out of state kids helping to pay for nice new facilities. All good until the woke mind virus starts showing up and ruining the fun for everybody.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 1:47 pm
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
921 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 2:19 pm to
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The population in certain parts of the south keeps growing (Texas, FL, GA, TN, NC) so those states have colleges that continue to be more competitive over time. Also, normal kids from the northeast are pouring into the southeast to have non woke, enjoyable college experiences. All of that contributes. For schools in less densely populated states like Alabama and Arkansas it means you have a surge in out of state kids helping to pay for nice new facilities. All good until the woke mind virus starts showing up and ruining the fun for everybody


Bingo. I think that’s an astute analysis.
Posted by ClassicCityAlum
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Mar 2019
921 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 2:21 pm to
Thank you for the insight (sincerely). I’ll read the link you provided. It sounds like you have a strong background / grasp on this phenomenon.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
7197 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:30 pm to
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When I was in high school in the stone age you could get into Rice with an SAT score in the 1200's. I think the average was around 1230. If you had a solid B average and a 1,000 SAT you were fine for A&M and UT.


I hate boomers so much it’s unreal.
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