Demosthenian
| Favorite team: | Georgia |
| Location: | Zetto, Granite Bowl, & points btwn |
| Biography: | WIA: Sept on a sunny day, dove field with numbers, football on my radio, cold beer covered in feathers next to my folding chair, and a hot barrel |
| Interests: | Team work, handiwork, God’s work, doing work, sometimes shirking Work, traveling, hunting, my “Kiss the Cook” apron, a stocked bar, the right playlist, and staying young |
| Occupation: | Commodity Trading |
| Number of Posts: | 907 |
| Registered on: | 9/15/2021 |
| Online Status: | Online |
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re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:55 pm to captdalton
quote:it’s because I’m right, they’re stupid, and they’re cowards that run away.
Even other LSU fans are largely avoiding this thread.
Bystanders like you always love to cast labels, but the winners write the history. And I’m right on this topic. Full stop across the board.
Thanks for all the upvotes
re: Did LSU really sell 10% of their football revenue forever for 100 million? Why?
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:53 pm to geauxbrown
quote:LMAO. I am here for this deflective cope
Yes, yes that’s exactly what LSU did.
Tell us more how awesome this is. Or in the interim just how “no one knows the real details. This is all speculation”
re: Did LSU really sell 10% of their football revenue forever for 100 million? Why?
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:45 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:What a lame response.
How will you spend your millions?
Cowards like you—YOU—being proven wrong left and right, and don’t have the balls to even participate in the discussion unless it’s a juvenile drive-by troll. GTFO
re: Did LSU really sell 10% of their football revenue forever for 100 million? Why?
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:39 pm to NFLSU
quote:The exact thing you foster parents said when they sent you back.
A lifetime of nothing but embarrassment
Weren’t you banned for saying ignorant and racist things on tRant? No one likes you or misses you, why are you here?
God what a pathetic person, in real life and here online
re: Did LSU really sell 10% of their football revenue forever for 100 million? Why?
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:33 pm to Tigerdew
Well this sounds pretty stupid now
Idiot LSU fan. Checks out.
quote:Tigerdew showing off 2 IQ points saying dipshit things
[Demosthenian] ChatGPT'd the shite out of his original post because he's too much a dumbass to make an intelligent argument.
Idiot LSU fan. Checks out.
re: Did LSU really sell 10% of their football revenue forever for 100 million? Why?
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:27 pm to JohnnyU
quote:
JohnnyU
quote:WRONG on both points. Boy you are stupid. I guess average for your kind
From the available information, it’s an LLC to be comprised of LSU’s own donors and patrons. It’s about managing investments in new revenue streams.
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:09 pm to SidewalkTiger
just….pathetic
re: Let’s Talk about “Private Equity”
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 10:00 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:See here: Thread of Sidewalk getting roasted for being wrong where I break down this post in detail how every comment is factual
What are you taking a "victory lap" for?
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:59 pm to SidewalkTiger
Yeah, Sidewalk, as we all knew, thanks for confirming: you’re full of shite.
And you’re stupid, as you go around disagreeing with things you have only a shadow of conceptual understanding of:
• FACT: Folks in charge at LSU to date have been deceptive about the nature and objectives of this deal, comparing their prior comments with what is now being widely reported as the terms of the proposed deal. Review the record of comments made with what’s being reported now across multiple updates
• FACT: LSU is seeking to financially monetize its CFB asset. Not sure how this can be more clear, reading the reported terms of the proposed deal
• FACT: The reported “partner” in this deal is not “private equity”. It’s an individual. Of an insurance and lending platform. Again, unequivocal based on the identified party in reports
• FACT: This proposed structure is a mortgage financing. The principal is $100mm. The interest is paid annually as a percentage of profits. The lien is the media rights, conveyed through a percentage of equity of the entity that holds the assets. Literally the definition of a mortgage
And you’re stupid, as you go around disagreeing with things you have only a shadow of conceptual understanding of:
• FACT: Folks in charge at LSU to date have been deceptive about the nature and objectives of this deal, comparing their prior comments with what is now being widely reported as the terms of the proposed deal. Review the record of comments made with what’s being reported now across multiple updates
• FACT: LSU is seeking to financially monetize its CFB asset. Not sure how this can be more clear, reading the reported terms of the proposed deal
• FACT: The reported “partner” in this deal is not “private equity”. It’s an individual. Of an insurance and lending platform. Again, unequivocal based on the identified party in reports
• FACT: This proposed structure is a mortgage financing. The principal is $100mm. The interest is paid annually as a percentage of profits. The lien is the media rights, conveyed through a percentage of equity of the entity that holds the assets. Literally the definition of a mortgage
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:39 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:I cannot believe I’m giving you another crack at this.
if someone downvotes or disagrees with your statements, they think this is a good deal when either of those things aren't necessarily exclusive
Ok, so IN YOUR CASE, just prove me wrong: what statements did I make that you disagree with?
You’ve now stated twice I’ve said things you disagree with. I know you’re playing stupid; just nut up and be forthright, like you know, Gov. Landry is incapable of doing.
re: Let’s Talk about “Private Equity”
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:32 pm to Demosthenian
quote:Taking a victory lap for this.
I’m mad that people in charge are deceptive, liars, and through whatever term they want to call it, financially monetizing the great past time we call college football, while lazily pointing to a scape goat like “private equity” to somehow obfuscate what they’re actually doing. That frustration extends to the latest permutation: mortgaging the long-term promise of an athletics program (LSU in this case) to simply pay off the short-sighted irresponsible decisions of the present. Which is something you’d think all CFB fans would get behind. And why it’s so idiotic LSU people would be supporting it. But ride or die with your team colors, I guess.
SidewalkTiger and you other LSU dipshits that flouted your ignorance in this thread, GTFO
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:25 pm to SidewalkTiger
You replied to me saying you could disagree with things I’ve said, but still hold an objective opinion of this deal.
I asked you which things I’ve said that you disagree with.
Then you said “I don’t know”.
frick off
I asked you which things I’ve said that you disagree with.
Then you said “I don’t know”.
frick off
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
Weak deflection
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:08 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Ok. Which items did you disagree with me on?
I can disagree with you and still think
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 9:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Every single dipshit that nega-posted and downvoted my comments in my prior thread about this, including you
Who?
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 8:12 pm to SidewalkTiger
We haven’t even gotten into the long-term implications of transferring media rights into a private entity that can be sold off.
This structure is essentially what FIFA proposed doing (right after the WC ended last month) that everyone immediately denounced.
Even if it’s just this 9% that’s sold, you’ve introduced a lot of unknown variables:
• there’s now an outside influence at the negotiating table alongside other schools’ at the next round of media negotiations, that at the least can create friction when attempting to get LSU to agree to proposals
• A critical point of a sale of the entity’s equity, in addition to the 7% profits interest distribution—to be clear they can be completely de-linked—is a repurchase obligation for this new entity to buy out Williams after [x] years (or, less likely, a re-sale privilege). This is a mechanism to ensure Williams has another pathway to earn his cost of capital, and can create major, major headaches between parties down the road. Like, usually results in litigation to force agreeable settlement terms. So LSU is signing itself up for years of friction with this new structure
• once you’ve divested the asset from the university, the strategy how to preserve and grow that asset can get completely divorced form the productive larger mission. New licensing agreements for LSU’s media properties, increased efforts to advertise and market LSU to create supplemental revenue streams, and sales of media, among other ideas, all create conflicts for potentially raising ownership and privacy concerns from those shown in the content, and media ownership disputes
• the sheer existence of an entity that could now be a place for LSU to sell future valuable assets to in related party deals (it’s much easier once those channels are established), are all really significant concerns that this structure is opening LSU to be exposed to / suffer down the road.
This is a complete Pandora’s box of issues how you ruin a once-proud, once-valuable, civic asset.
This structure is essentially what FIFA proposed doing (right after the WC ended last month) that everyone immediately denounced.
Even if it’s just this 9% that’s sold, you’ve introduced a lot of unknown variables:
• there’s now an outside influence at the negotiating table alongside other schools’ at the next round of media negotiations, that at the least can create friction when attempting to get LSU to agree to proposals
• A critical point of a sale of the entity’s equity, in addition to the 7% profits interest distribution—to be clear they can be completely de-linked—is a repurchase obligation for this new entity to buy out Williams after [x] years (or, less likely, a re-sale privilege). This is a mechanism to ensure Williams has another pathway to earn his cost of capital, and can create major, major headaches between parties down the road. Like, usually results in litigation to force agreeable settlement terms. So LSU is signing itself up for years of friction with this new structure
• once you’ve divested the asset from the university, the strategy how to preserve and grow that asset can get completely divorced form the productive larger mission. New licensing agreements for LSU’s media properties, increased efforts to advertise and market LSU to create supplemental revenue streams, and sales of media, among other ideas, all create conflicts for potentially raising ownership and privacy concerns from those shown in the content, and media ownership disputes
• the sheer existence of an entity that could now be a place for LSU to sell future valuable assets to in related party deals (it’s much easier once those channels are established), are all really significant concerns that this structure is opening LSU to be exposed to / suffer down the road.
This is a complete Pandora’s box of issues how you ruin a once-proud, once-valuable, civic asset.
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 7:34 pm to lsupride87
quote:They likely don’t have a politically palatable choice. That’s how you get smart people making terrible deals. Because Gov. Landry having to backtrack and dip into government budget reserves or increase taxpayer spending to pay buyouts and player salaries is about the only “solution” that would go over worse, and that’s the outcome otherwise.
Can 40 really successful people all simultaneously make a bad deal while it was all so simple SEC rant posters had it all figured out? I doubt it
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 7:09 pm to captdalton
It’s more or less door #3.
The “investing the $100mm” is a red herring as far as a *profit source* goes. That money will be invested, as it’d be utterly irresponsible for a business to just hold that amount in cash. The point of investing that money is to have it grow in such a way that it can continue to fund a significant portion of the shortfall LSU will face in coming years as player salaries and contract obligations grow, and god forbid anymore buyouts.
The “investing the $100mm” is a red herring as far as a *profit source* goes. That money will be invested, as it’d be utterly irresponsible for a business to just hold that amount in cash. The point of investing that money is to have it grow in such a way that it can continue to fund a significant portion of the shortfall LSU will face in coming years as player salaries and contract obligations grow, and god forbid anymore buyouts.
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 6:04 pm to Boom33
Happy to clarify for you.
Williams gives $100mm.
Williams gets 7% of “profits”, which is a squishy term, as you can manually alter what items qualify as “revenue” and which items qualify as “expenses”, but the concept is he’ll get 7% of annual cash flow the entity produces, net of the operating costs to run it on a year-to-year basis.
Williams also gets 9% ownership of the entity. So the proportion he’s entitled to get each year in distributions is actually different than his % ownership, which is a little different for your average investor buying a dividend stock, where ownership = proportion of the dividend you get. Why these two figures differ is unclear, but there are many reasons (for example: minimum governance participation he required for voting, but LSU didn’t want to give away that much in net profits.)
LSU’s entire goal here is to use the $100mm to repay their contractual obligations (contract salaries, buyouts, future player compensation, program operating costs, etc.) it’s their hope they can invest the balance of the $100mm they haven’t yet spent (likely in tax-free bonds, maybe equities) to continue growing that amount over time to stay ahead of the net funding shortfall between the payment obligations they owe (enumerated above) and the net cash flow they’ll be bringing in (as an SEC affiliate, media rights, etc.)
These mortgage financings rarely work to get borrowers of the hole they find themselves in.
This is the exact kind of loan sharking people want to denigrate the private equity community for doing. When in fact, as we see here, any lender can demand these types of terms. Indeed, these terms are simply “market standard”, which means that if LSU is seeking financial support for their program, they have no way of avoiding this usurious bargain.
LSU should wish it had done a deal with “private equity” a la Utah’s deal with Otro Capital. That actually had a quality executive team assembled as a critical cornerstone of the deal and a key focus in strategy and developing a sustainable, completely new, entity to perform the functions of monetizing the value of Utah’s brand. Nowhere is it shown that Utah had to give away any critical assets to establish their partnership with Otro, nor was it the case that Otro fronted cash that would create a suffocating obligation on behalf of the university. THAT “private equity” deal by an actual PE firm sounds productive, healthy, and equitable as far as mutually beneficial goals goes. This LSU loan does not
Williams gives $100mm.
Williams gets 7% of “profits”, which is a squishy term, as you can manually alter what items qualify as “revenue” and which items qualify as “expenses”, but the concept is he’ll get 7% of annual cash flow the entity produces, net of the operating costs to run it on a year-to-year basis.
Williams also gets 9% ownership of the entity. So the proportion he’s entitled to get each year in distributions is actually different than his % ownership, which is a little different for your average investor buying a dividend stock, where ownership = proportion of the dividend you get. Why these two figures differ is unclear, but there are many reasons (for example: minimum governance participation he required for voting, but LSU didn’t want to give away that much in net profits.)
LSU’s entire goal here is to use the $100mm to repay their contractual obligations (contract salaries, buyouts, future player compensation, program operating costs, etc.) it’s their hope they can invest the balance of the $100mm they haven’t yet spent (likely in tax-free bonds, maybe equities) to continue growing that amount over time to stay ahead of the net funding shortfall between the payment obligations they owe (enumerated above) and the net cash flow they’ll be bringing in (as an SEC affiliate, media rights, etc.)
These mortgage financings rarely work to get borrowers of the hole they find themselves in.
This is the exact kind of loan sharking people want to denigrate the private equity community for doing. When in fact, as we see here, any lender can demand these types of terms. Indeed, these terms are simply “market standard”, which means that if LSU is seeking financial support for their program, they have no way of avoiding this usurious bargain.
LSU should wish it had done a deal with “private equity” a la Utah’s deal with Otro Capital. That actually had a quality executive team assembled as a critical cornerstone of the deal and a key focus in strategy and developing a sustainable, completely new, entity to perform the functions of monetizing the value of Utah’s brand. Nowhere is it shown that Utah had to give away any critical assets to establish their partnership with Otro, nor was it the case that Otro fronted cash that would create a suffocating obligation on behalf of the university. THAT “private equity” deal by an actual PE firm sounds productive, healthy, and equitable as far as mutually beneficial goals goes. This LSU loan does not
re: A clearer picture regarding LSU and the rumors around private equity is emerging
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 5:51 pm to SidewalkTiger
fricking told you.
Dishonest dealings.
Not a “private equity” firm.
Mortgaging the program.
A terrible deal. A loss for LSU and all of CFB
Dishonest dealings.
Not a “private equity” firm.
Mortgaging the program.
A terrible deal. A loss for LSU and all of CFB
re: My 100% honest, no bullshite, no bias SEC program all time rankings
Posted by Demosthenian on 8/9/26 at 7:41 am to Boom33
quote:Hah! What??
It's not your team's fault or anything and I'm certainly not saying they aren't valid, but in 2021 you probably shouldn't have been there to begin with. Maybe you could say LSU's 2007 was similar,
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