re: Brian Kelly vs Kirby Smart

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Ideally we get ourselves back in the mix we’re we are competing with them both consistently.

While Smart and Saban are there I doubt anyone is beat them all the time.

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pretty much this.

i dont any rational LSU fan or fan of any other school that honestly thinks we or they will start dominating UGA or bama and a collapse is gonna happen.

Nick is far and away the best to ever do it. Bama isnt going anywheres so long as he is there.

Kirby is damn good and the best UGA has ever had. Georgia as a state is producing more talent then ever before.

with kelly at LSU and the staff he has assembled, he will have us competeing again within 3 years. But competing is not winning championships every year. Cause that is not gonna happen.

Going forward, A&M will replace auburn as the 3rd wheel in the west until atleast until the new format is determined.

UF and UT are on their way back in the east but will take atleast 2-3 years.

after UT and OU come on board and until the NIL rules are laid out....it will continue to be Bama/UGA/LSU and i fricking hate typing this A&M competing. in 2 years, uf and ut should be in the mix too.

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LSU won two other natties in the last 20 years, each without a generational QB or the “best offensive talent” ever assembled at the school.

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different times, majorly.

LSU won in 03 becuase they were basically the beta test verseion of what bama has become. Elite defense, solid run game, great along the LOS, game manager QB. Who was the biggest challenger in the SEC that year btw...us? We were basically that same style of team as LSu but not as good at it and had 3 losses.

In 2007, well..I don't need to go into 2007.

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your metrics referenced are not requirements for LSU to win natties.

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2003 and 2007 didn't have the best dynasty in the history of CFB to contend with either. If you're going to win, like LSu did in 2019, you better be off the charts elite at a lot of things. For LSu that year it was pretty much across the board on offense. For us this year it was the opposite.

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Lol Fromm was such a joke. If UGA didn’t rush the ball at will the offense literally went nowhere with Fromm under center.

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bro he was literally undefeated against florida lol

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It was a thing of beauty seeing Kirby pick him over fields.

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that's not entirely accurate...I'm sure taht the plan for fields was to be a major point of the offense and eventually start. However, as has become typical in today's spoiled entitled generation of youth, since he didn't start in his true freshman season he whined and left. It worked out for everyone though so no complaints. If fields doens't leave we don't have stetson, who is a reigning national champion

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If Kelly is the better coach than why would he need more talent than Orgeron did?

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Because that's what it takes to beat alabama and thus win a title which was the topic.

Now, if you want to talk about everything else BESIDES simply the natty, then yeah you're obviously right. Kelly will win at a much higher clip than O even without as much talent (hypothetically). I doubt kelly will ever have any real shitfests of a season like O had.

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Because again, history has shown us that is waht it requires. And I'm not talking abotu a random fluky blip like a shitty aTm upsetting them last year. I'm talking about to beat them for a title in a hcampionship situation.

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I think he'd obviously need some talent but I don't believe he needs a quarterback to throw 60+ touchdowns and win the Heisman to beat Alabama and win a title.

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I don't believe he needs a quarterback to throw 60+ touchdowns and win the Heisman to beat Alabama and win a title.

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of course not, you're focused in on taht one particular thing when that's not the bigger point. The bigger point, like I outlind in the post above, is you better have an ELITE unit (most certainly offense, since I believe us last year was very much an outlier) with an elite QB.

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You said Kelly needs a better unit than 2019 LSU to beat Alabama and win a championship, I don't believe that.

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I didn't quite say that exactly:

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Kelly is obviously better than orgeron, but unless kelly gets the best QB and the best collection of offensive talent ever assunmbled in the history of LSu football, I gotta think the odds are against him ot win it all.

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maybe there was some hyperbole there, if so my bad. But I think you udnerstand my overall point and are just hashing over semantics. That originla post was sayuing that with LSU's 2 prior titles they were in majorly different eras, but O (a not good coach) was able to win one in this era due to that offense. So if you dn't have an offense of that caliber, the odds are against you.

So no, maybe you don't need a "BETTER" offense than 2019. But you need a really super good one, as also shown by 2018 and 2016 clemson.

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bro he was literally undefeated against florida lol

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And that defeats my point how? We have hardly been world beaters for over a decade now. Fromm being 3-0 against us doesn’t negate the fact he shite the bed against every team with a pulse he played against. If UGA’s offense wasn’t running the ball at will he’d literally look like a deer in headlights until the defense would bail him out or y’all would get blown out.

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he shite the bed against every team with a pulse he played against.

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Led a game winning drive in the playoffs and threw for 300+ and 3 touchdowns against bama in the SECC. He wasn’t a world beater, but he’s clearly better than you’re giving him credit for.