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i get that for sure but didnt want to piss people off either :lol:

yea i wasnt speaking about those specific coaches :cheers: :cheers:

and yea they do not give a frick where a kid came from when entering

and yea the better kids entering soph and especially junior year...they are going to be fine with them playing other national type teams...hell even the younger ones.

trust me im not arguing against playing travel ball :lol: :lol:

but i do have issue with it being forced on kids at a public school. i have no idea if that is what will happen at mandeville but I assume the expectation is they atleast play with the local team to get reps if they expect to ever be a starter.


what i dont understand is everyone being shocked in this thread.....pretty much every hs in LA that is 5a has some kind of summer team you are expected to play with. as usual in these threads lots of ignorance pertaining to HS ball and travel

but i have bee shocked a lot lately about how many people did not know or understand travel baseball in HS. many thought once in HS that all ends.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

rude awakening

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They aren't.

Are you sitting there calling the Coach a liar?

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i am :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

because i have sat there and watched a bunch of different coaches say this when meeting with parents in 7th and 8th grade and before tryouts and watched the same kid get cut the first time they say they arent playing summer ball.

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its kids who want to play baseball actually want to play baseball. i couldn't imagine relying upon solely JV and Varsity only reps during the spring baseball season and rely upon that only as to the progress and development my child makes.

i find your skepticism a bit selfish cause evidently your child wants to play numerous sports in highschool and yet remain active starters in all of them without doing any extras of that sport in the offseasons. that is how it is coming across, and yet you are hiding behind the money grab but you've been paying knights money for a few years already where it is actually the 100% money grab during those years.

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so my kid would never not want to play baseball

my gripe is more....the forced to be able to remain on the HS team and i only have a problem with is at public schools. if they are not forcing them to do it....then im fine with it

if you actually want to play, better be or you better be going somewhere to train all summer

for example i would much rather see a kid go live and train at a performance center like the driveline, TBR, FBA, Prime, Tread, Top Velocity etc than play summer ball but I also understand that is the rare kid and 99% of HS kids need more in game reps

but i do have a problem with the football and baseball coaches arguing and forcing kids to choice.

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Because it’s ridiculous. I have your back when some people attack travel ball here, and I actually do like the knights organization

But it’s jumped the shark completely and it deserves to be mocked if you are forcing it on kids good enough to make the high school team on your own. It’s 100% a business leech money grab at that point . It ain’t about having fun with your friends and developing anymore. If you are on the high school team already this is just becoming pure business transactions

We are absolutely ruining high school sports and within a decade at this point it will be a shell of what it wa

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i am not arguing with you and actually agree

should not be a requirement at all. if a kid wants to play travel ball, it should be up to them. same with legion etc

now i do think kids that want to play in college prolly should but again that depends too



my biggest gripe with it is not the money its that we have made real development really hard between fall ball(2-3 weeks of inter squads) then spring HS season(5 months really) then another 6-8 weeks of "mandatory" summer ball.

even for the baseball only kid there is very little time to develop outside of competition.

sure we can and should be lifting weights in season but its much easier to gain strength, speed, size when we dont have competitions.

with the skill stuff like throwing velo, bat speed etc its very hard because you are always having to get ready for competition.

not to mention if you are multi sport playing football and baseball.....literally have zero off season. zero.

and dont get me started on the "parents, plan all your summer vacations for this 2 week window during the summer or else" BS.

i will say this....imo football is the worst about the summer stuff. I am all for lifitng weights, everyone here knows im a freak about that stuff, but god damn it there is no reason a HS male should have to do 6am weights during the summer. If its an on the field thing, i understand but just for lifting.....thats fricking dumb....not to mention the performance deficit from not getting enough sleep. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


trust me im not arguing with you, i was simply saying this isnt a new thing. it just wasnt with knights before, but its been that away for a while.

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So Mandeville isn’t going to partner with the knights like other schools and have their kids play 5-6 weeks and pay all that money in the summer “voluntarily”?

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they were doing this before...I didnt think that chad said they wouldnt be.

but mandeville has been doing this, just wasnt with knights

it hasnt changed anything

and every bigger HS in South LA does this that is worth their salt in baseball.

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I personally know a kid that plays both at Mandeville High. He's an upperclassman, so I suppose he got on both teams before they began conspiring to make kids have to choose.

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oh you can do it, i have seen it done....its just in 99.99% of cases you are not starting on the varsity baseball team. they are month into the season, you will have missed fall ball, winter preseason practice and then 1 month of the season. arm wont be in shape either more than likely

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Mandeville High had summer baseball and basketball tryouts at the same time on the same day. Forcing kids to decide which sport to play for the next four years, only to possibly get cut and not being able to play either.

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to be fair...you cant really play basketball and baseball in high school.

because LHSAA wants baseball completed before the end of the school year, it starts mid Feb which is the stretch run before the playoffs in basketball. 99.99% of athletes arent playing basketball then walking on to the baseball field and playing.

baseball started Feb 9 this year, basketball ended march 14. You arent walking onto the field a month in with no practice and playing. not happening.

so the basketball/baseball thing is non issue

but I do agree it was dog shite of them to have them on the same day at the same time. what if a kid would rather play baseball but ends up not making it and he could have made the basketball team?

its a shitty way to go about it and it is happening all over the state at all levels but is worse at the bigger schools.

i can say with certainty it will be exactly like i said. i have watched this evolve for years

the bad part is many of the coaches get mad if their kids go play for the national team too.

and the bad thing about the local 2d stuff....its does absolute jack shite to help kids get recruited. nothing, nada. at least he smaller underclass and upper class tournaments that run across south LA every weekend. I mean nothing but still cost almost what a national team cost

then you have the HS coaches getting mad and holding it against kids...not always but it happens

then not to mention the amount of football coaches fighting with the baseball coaches and almost forcing kids to choose because the old school football coaches dont understand the summer baseball stuff and are mandating(despite the rules) that kids be at their summer workouts and only take vacation during the designated times.

it has gotten way over the top with the mandatory stuff. way over the top.

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Most LA High Schools are playing under the LA Knights umbrella primarily for summer baseball which only lasts about 4-5 weeks anyway starting in late May

Catholic and Barbe are partnered with LA Knights and have been for several years

It keeps their teams together while developing for next high school season and it still allows for the top prospects to play another month in July away from their high school teams

Those running LA Knights are all based out of Mandeville

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its this. barbe isnt with knights anymore but was for years

its simply a way for the summer ball teams for each school to have an easy way to get uniforms ordered, insurance for the tournaments etc

just makes summer ball way easier than having to do all that themselves.

also the knights affiliate teams and most of the HS teams here just play the local 2d tournaments. now usually starting after freshman year, the better kids looking to play in college go play bigger national tournaments, everyone else the local 2d stuff

very similar to how legion ball used to be.

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Yeah? Mine didn't have to buy his football helmet.

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well to be fair we had a choice, use very old helmet or pay for a new one that is sized just for him and reduces chance of concussions big time

this season I have to buy shoulder pads too if i want him to have a decent pair. and cleats are about 100 a pop as we are only given 3 options.