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Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:20 am to BuckFama334
While I do think the season should be played I also tend to think that no fans should be allowed at the games more like the MLB model
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:29 am to TarnishedWisdom90
I have my own strong opinions on all of this but I'll leave the fan argument for others to fight. However, depriving these kids that want to play the opportunity to do so is morally wrong and quite frankly disgusting. They earned it and they deserve better.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:14 am to GenesChin
I’ll say this, I hope there’s a CFB season. With that said, here are my thoughts:
1. Yes, the death rate is extremely low for college-aged kids but there is still a perception issue. No program wants to be the one that has a player who ends up hooked up to a ventilator (with photos circulated in the media) or even worse a player who dies from it.
2. I’d like to know what schools are doing about other extracurriculars. Really, everything outside of class that isn’t virtual should be cancelled if they’re talking about cancelling football - no club gatherings, parties (from official school groups like Greeks), etc.
3. I agree with the player argument that they are likely safer with a structure in place.
4. The argument about # of car accidents, suicides, illness, etc. doesn’t work bc at this time we don’t know how many deaths the virus will cause.
5. I’m fine if they play without fans in the stands. Especially if that means a season is more likely.
6. However, without fans in the stands I recognize most SEC towns are going to take major economic hits and that sucks.
1. Yes, the death rate is extremely low for college-aged kids but there is still a perception issue. No program wants to be the one that has a player who ends up hooked up to a ventilator (with photos circulated in the media) or even worse a player who dies from it.
2. I’d like to know what schools are doing about other extracurriculars. Really, everything outside of class that isn’t virtual should be cancelled if they’re talking about cancelling football - no club gatherings, parties (from official school groups like Greeks), etc.
3. I agree with the player argument that they are likely safer with a structure in place.
4. The argument about # of car accidents, suicides, illness, etc. doesn’t work bc at this time we don’t know how many deaths the virus will cause.
5. I’m fine if they play without fans in the stands. Especially if that means a season is more likely.
6. However, without fans in the stands I recognize most SEC towns are going to take major economic hits and that sucks.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:01 pm to BuckFama334
Without fans I've considered the risk was acceptable (in empty stadiums) until the Big Ten and Pac-12 bugged out.
However with both conferences publicly saying the risk's too high, I'm thinking the legal situation has now crossed into the prohibitive range. All it would take is one assistant coaches demise and his heirs could have a field day.
Seen it before in another assumed risk sport (whitewater) where the participant was fine with the risk; however once he was out of the picture his wife went litigation happy.
However with both conferences publicly saying the risk's too high, I'm thinking the legal situation has now crossed into the prohibitive range. All it would take is one assistant coaches demise and his heirs could have a field day.
Seen it before in another assumed risk sport (whitewater) where the participant was fine with the risk; however once he was out of the picture his wife went litigation happy.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:02 pm to Broadside Bob
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why:
- I'm not that worried about the kids, but the coaches, staff, and officials are more at risk. Also, though the kids may never get very ill, travelling and the chance of spreading it more broadly seems like an unnecessary risk.
Then don’t go near the players. Or opt out. Have you not seen the crowds out lately? Go to big box stores anywhere and there are thousands of people crossing paths everyday.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:39 pm to BuckFama334
Upvote.
I think they should definitely play because the actual risk for college aged players is outstanding physical condition is basically nil.
Now as for coaches and/or officials, if they are at risk due to prior conditions or are in close contact with someone who is vulnerable, well, give them the option to either isolate themselves and continue to work or opt out of this season completely and allow them to step back into their position when they feel they're safe enough to return.
I think they should definitely play because the actual risk for college aged players is outstanding physical condition is basically nil.
Now as for coaches and/or officials, if they are at risk due to prior conditions or are in close contact with someone who is vulnerable, well, give them the option to either isolate themselves and continue to work or opt out of this season completely and allow them to step back into their position when they feel they're safe enough to return.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:46 pm to LanierSpots
quote:This.
I upvoted because I think they should play. I dont really think it is any less safe
But, I dont think it will happen.
Thanks to the B1G/PAC12 decision yesterday, an ACC/BIG12/SEC-only season will be a rodeo de caprino. No fans, no bowls, no playoffs, all championships/awards will be asterisked, many star players will likely opt out.
Ultimately it will feel more like a bunch of glorified scrimmages. I just don't think it'll be worth it in the long run, even if no one ends up getting that ill.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 2:41 pm to FearlessFreep
You could still have conference championships and perhaps a limited bowl season.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 2:57 pm to BuckFama334
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This is America. Land of the free, home of the BRAVE. We will all eventually die. It is an unfortunate truth.
But we do common sense things every day to reduce the risk of dying. We wear seatbelts. We don't walk into traffic. We (hopefully) wear masks indoors in public to prevent the spread and prevent potential deaths of those at risk.
Anyway, and I hate to agree with him, but as Saban said, they'd probably be better off on campus and under the watch of the coaches and medical staff than they would be at home only due to the fact that they'd have unlimited access to testing(and much quicker results than in the real world) and medical staff.
I'd love to see the season happen, but I still don't think it will because of how closely these guys are going to be with each other day in and day out. If one guy slips up and gets careless and ends up infected and it spreads to 30 or 40 other guys on the team in week 3, they're going to have to either play with a very limited roster, or postpone those games. Rescheduling would be a nightmare given the time frame involved.
I'm assuming they'll be testing pretty much on a daily basis and if so, they'll have to be able to get the results back within 24 hours. Is that even realistic at this point even within the parameters of how these teams will be operating?
I hope I'm wrong and I hope they can pull it off, but I just don't see it happening.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:15 pm to atlau
Even before the B10 canceled, i wasn’t on board with this bastardized season... no fans and shortened schedule was gonna make every game feel like a scrimmage.
If they wanna play, whatever... I’ll still watch... but this won’t be college football.
If they wanna play, whatever... I’ll still watch... but this won’t be college football.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:32 pm to lowspark12
I get that, but at this point I'll take 10 SEC scrimmages to have something to look forward to if the SEC decides it's safe enough.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:41 pm to lowspark12
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Even before the B10 canceled, i wasn’t on board with this bastardized season... no fans and shortened schedule was gonna make every game feel like a scrimmage.
If they wanna play, whatever... I’ll still watch... but this won’t be college football.
I was thinking about that last night. What will it feel like to have a shortened schedule, no fans, limited games, no post season. Its going to be Odd. And will them pump in sound to cover the players on the field? Some of those "conversations" between players wont be PG13
You will be able to hear everything with no fan noise... Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:08 pm to LanierSpots
I know this is all so unreal with unreal results.
I just saw where a north alabama college is moving ahead to play 4 games even though their conference canceled the season.
How could you want to play 4 games? Especially when there is no incentive at the end...it's basically 4 scrimmages.
I just saw where a north alabama college is moving ahead to play 4 games even though their conference canceled the season.
How could you want to play 4 games? Especially when there is no incentive at the end...it's basically 4 scrimmages.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:23 pm to lowspark12
Still playing for an SEC championship and probably an AP national championship
Posted on 8/12/20 at 4:38 pm to GenesChin
I see I got downvoted but I'm legitimately curious why someone thinks an election year has an impact on this decision.
I haven't been keeping up too much with this, but the reports I've seen point towards the huge liability + long term amateurism consequences. I don't see some clear connection with those issues and election politics. This feels a lot like a decision driven by money for most schools/conferences. If it was politically motivated, they would not have waited until ~2 weeks before the season starts to make it.
College sports has been driven by big money for years now. I just have a hard time believing all of a sudden money isn't driving college sport decision making
I haven't been keeping up too much with this, but the reports I've seen point towards the huge liability + long term amateurism consequences. I don't see some clear connection with those issues and election politics. This feels a lot like a decision driven by money for most schools/conferences. If it was politically motivated, they would not have waited until ~2 weeks before the season starts to make it.
College sports has been driven by big money for years now. I just have a hard time believing all of a sudden money isn't driving college sport decision making
Posted on 8/12/20 at 5:59 pm to GenesChin
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If it weren't an election year this wouldn't even be a question
How so?
Surely you can see all the politics being played behind the curtain of the Covid virus?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:18 pm to BuckFama334
14 pussies so far scared of the flu
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:26 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Surely you can see all the politics being played behind the curtain of the Covid virus?
I think what he is saying is, no matter if there was an election or not, the virus would still be here and the dangers would still be here
If you really think the virus is all political, then there really is no conversation that can be had.
I know it is being used but everything is right now. The virus is real. I assure you.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:49 pm to CorchJay
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More science for you within each weave of the cotton fibers on the general surgical masks the gaps in the weaves are 300nm x 300nm. CV particles are 30nm in size. I think I heard within each weave 49 million cv particles can pass through the act 300nm x 300nm gap and there are thousands of those gaps in each mask. The 49 million is what I heard I’m not a math junkie so if anyone wants to do the math on those nanometers you’re more then welcome.
Stick to football, coach.
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