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imjustafatkid
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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I already have a degree in political science


Found your problem.

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authoritarianism relies on an absurdly powerful executive


This is absolutely false. You got a poli sci degree without ever studying China's system of government? Literally all of the president's power is given to him by their ruling body. The Communist Party, collectively, holds the power, not the President. They even go so far as to expect people to worship the Communist Party. Yes, they often lift up the President as a figurehead, but you are fooling yourself if you believe he holds any real power. They can oust him whenever they want.

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That doesn't mean that any government built with a strong centralized foundation is authoritarianism.


Forcing association is not part of a "strong centralized foundation" of a government. I'm not even sure how you could possibly equate a government forcing its citizens to associate with certain people (or purchase/sell certain products, for that matter) with a "strong centralized foundation" of a government. Simply using these words shows you have to twist what I'm saying to fit your argument. You clearly know that you have taken a flimsy position.

The reality is that laws enforcing segregation were forced association just like laws forcing desegregation of private entities is forced association. They're BOTH authoritarian policies. Two sides of the same coin. That you don't know this is a real stain on your poli sci degree. You may be okay with that level of authoritarian policies, but that doesn't make them less authoritarian. You will not be able to point to any historical or modern examples where forced association is NOT an example of authoritarianism. Just because we do it does not make it less authoritarian.

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My acknowledgment of authortarianism neccesating 1) limited political representation, 2) ambigous and vast executive powers (which is the key here) 3) policy making without reasoned debate is absolutely accurate and anyone who has spent any time studying modern political thought would agree, as do *all* relevant and important texts. The SCOTUS rulings, legislative policy making and constitutional amendments that promote an anti-discriminatory society are by no means authoritarian, as they are not the result of a dictator or executive decision. Sure sounds like you've never read The Prince, Doctrine of Fascism, any Giovani Gentile or any texts on the subject at all. Maybe audit some classes at the local community college, it would be benifical, assuming strongly holding on to political opinions is important to you.


The government should not discriminate, and the government choosing not to discriminate is not authoritarian. The government forcing citizens to associate with other people, or forcing citizens to do business with people they do not wish to do business with, IS authoritarian. It does not matter how your leftist professors have redefined the term for you. The fact remains.

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Good luck schooling be on the issue.


Won't need luck. You don't know basic tenants of political science.
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Bamaorbust
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
Frick no.


RiverCityTider
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
What do you guys think of the aborted baby survivor scenario? The Va Gov (d) basically said to make the child confey until mom decides whether or not to murder it outside the womb. Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy but that seems insane.
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The Spleen
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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What do you guys think of the aborted baby survivor scenario? The Va Gov (d) basically said to make the child confey until mom decides whether or not to murder it outside the womb. Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy but that seems insane.



It sounds insane because that's not what the bill actually did. The bill allowed a mother to refuse treatment to a baby that was born that was unviable outside the womb. It's similar to a family member signing a DNR on a terminally ill family member at the end of their life. There's not a single person out there that would support the killing of a viable baby outside the womb.


Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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he bill allowed a mother to refuse treatment to a baby that was born that was unviable outside the womb. It's similar to a family member signing a DNR on a terminally ill family member at the end of their life.


That's a lie, Spleen. That has never been illegal anywhere. Anyone with the authority can sign a DNR and has always been able to.



dirtsandwich
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
I would find it very very difficult to vote for Tubbs if I’m being honest. I do not like that man.


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JackieTreehorn
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
If the only choices were Tubs and Dougie then I'd vote for Tubs.


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The Spleen
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Anyone with the authority can sign a DNR and has always been able to.



Yeah, I said it was similar to that, not that it was the same. The proposed bill gave the mother the choice to not perform life saving procedures on a live baby that wasn't viable on its own.


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FairhopeTider
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
I really don’t want to have to go through this BS again.

Roy Moore Leads GOP Field in Alabama....

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Former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore leads the field of potential Republicans vying for the chance to challenge Sen. Doug Jones (D), a year and a half after Moore lost what was supposed to be an easy election in a deep-red state. A new poll shows Moore leading a still-evolving field of Alabama Republicans competing for the nomination. He is the top choice of 27 percent of Alabama Republican voters, according to the Mason-Dixon Polling & Strategy Inc. survey. The state's three Republican members of Congress finish well behind Moore: Rep. Mo Brooks would take 18 percent, Rep. Bradley Byrne clocks in at 13 percent and Rep. Gary Palmer would take 11 percent.


imjustafatkid
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Adding a name recognition question to that information tells the whole story. Moore essentially has maximized that metric, with only 4 percent (within the margin of error of zero) not recognizing his name. He only has a five percent net favorability rating, at 34-29 percent. In contrast, his potential opponents (Byrne is the only one polled that has actually announced) have a lot of room to grow in name recognition while not having the baggage and set ceiling that Moore does.

Byrne’s 23 percent was the highest net favorability at 25-2 percent, followed by Brooks’ 19 percent (27-8), Palmer’s 17 percent (18-1), James’ 12 percent (13-1) and Marsh’s 8 percent (15-7).

Again considering only 4 percent did not recognize Moore’s name, note that 23 percent had never heard of Brooks, 46 percent Byrne, 53 percent Palmer, 57 percent Marsh and 70 percent James. A factor at play here is that Brooks, like Moore, ran in the 2017 Senate special election primary. Byrne’s high net favorability while having so much room for growth in name recognition is very much an encouraging sign for his campaign.


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Broken Coyote
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
Republican now means Clinton Democrat (Bill not Hillary) there are so few honest constitutional conservatives in politics now that it don’t even matter. Your choices are tax and spend republicrats or socialist. frickem all.


imjustafatkid
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Republican now means Clinton Democrat (Bill not Hillary) there are so few honest constitutional conservatives in politics now that it don’t even matter. Your choices are tax and spend republicrats or socialist. frickem all.



This thread is about state elections, but your comment makes it seem like you've been ignoring the past few federal elections.


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Lordofwrath88
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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I’ll go on record immediately and say no. There is nothing that he seems to offer that other Republicans don’t offer that would help him overcome my disdain for him.



Would you vote for him in the primary over a second Roy Moore bid?


Roll Tide Ravens
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Would you vote for him in the primary over a second Roy Moore bid?

I wouldn’t vote for Moore or Tubberville.


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GenesChin
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Would you vote for him in the primary over a second Roy Moore bid?


Roy Moore or Tommy Tubz


What a world we live in where those two are serious candidates to represent this state & country of ours as senators.


MoarKilometers
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Abortion should be an issue women decide on.

Did i miss the memo on humans going all jurassic park and can reproduce without a man


InGAButLoveBama
Member since Jan 2018
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
I loathe Tubberville, but would vote for him in a second if he had the balls to come out against our stupid wars and interventions and immoral support for the Saudi war on Yemen, Israel's occupation of Palestine and massacre of unarmed Palestinians, if he did NOT blame Russia and Iran for the chaos our foreign policy has created in the ME, if he did NOT demonize Russia and Iran for pursuing their national interests, if he supported cutting the "Defense" Budget, ending the Fed, honoring the Tenth Amendment, etc. Oh, and if he supported severely penalizing employers who hire illegal immigrants along with supporting a wall.
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labamafan
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
Not from Alabama but if I like his ideas then absolutely. Football games do not effect my life at all.


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Lordofwrath88
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Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
more interesting question....


How many Bama Republicans vote for a Democratic Nick Saban ticket.

(And yes, it a totally hypothetical situation, I'm 100% confident Nick will just enjoy retirement and travel with Terri once his coaching days are over)
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BamaGradinTn
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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
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Also voted to confirm Kleeh (65/30), Rettig (64/33), Lanza (60/35), Pompeo (57-42), Azar (55-43),


Yeah, well, there's one big name missing from that list of confirmations.

Here, I'll make it easy for you: Anyone who sided with Feinstein, Harris, Booker, et al and believed that bull shite from Ms. "Fear of Flying" isn't fit to occupy a Senate seat from Alabama. Period.


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