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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:59 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:59 am to pvilleguru
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Imagine being against cheaper healthcare (36% of the US already has Medicare or Medicaid) and education.
It's a baffling position.
Hey, you know that insurance plan you have where you have to pay a $5,000 deductible, get pre-approval from that carrier to see a specialist, may deny a claim if you use an out-of-network doctor, doesn't cover some prescription drugs, and has high premiums? What if I said you could have a tax-funded plan that allowed you to see any doctor, had no deductible, a low co-pay, covered all prescriptions you need, etc? Oh hell no! That sounds awful!
Nevermind the fact that VA and Medicare outscore all private insurance plans in customer satisfaction.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:22 am to The Spleen
Have you ever walked into a VA hospital? I have, I took an externship there for a semester. It’s like stepping back in time 20 years using outdated equipment and technology. I don’t expect them to have the latest greatest thing but when some of their equipment belongs in a museum, that’s shameful and not in the patient’s best interest. “Customer satisfaction” surveys and star ratings are all crap that is subjective and you can game the numbers. Patient outcomes should be the gold standard metric and I can assure you they are less than acceptable.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:28 am to The Spleen
Affordable Child care $700 billion
Student debt relief 1.25 trillion
affordable housing 500 billion
Opiod plan 100 billion
Moratorium on fossil fuel leases, and halt drilling off shore
Student debt relief 1.25 trillion
affordable housing 500 billion
Opiod plan 100 billion
Moratorium on fossil fuel leases, and halt drilling off shore
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:31 am to The Spleen
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Nevermind the fact that VA and Medicare outscore all private insurance plans in customer satisfaction.
Imagine thinking Medicare and the VA are functioning well.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:35 am to stomp
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So what you're saying is Republicans dont care about the following?
-The farm bill
-Expanding private care to veterans
-Rolling back some Dodd-Frank regulations
-Barr's nomination
-Other Trump appointee nominations
-Reauthorizing warrantless spying program as part of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
Because Jones voted in favor of each. And Trump was in favor of each.
Which one is it??!
Trump being for something doesn't mean Dems were against it. How many Dems voted with Dud Jones on those issues? Not being an extremist doesn't make him a moderate.
ETA: Also, as a conservative I am totally against warrantless surveillance. That is not a conservative position at all and literally everyone should be against it. I don't care that he voted for nominees who would have been confirmed anyway.
ETA2: Farm bill went 87-12. It isn't a moderate position when almost 90% of the Senate votes with you. It's the only position.
Expanding private care to veterans passed 92-5. Again, that isn't a moderate position. It's the only position.
Dodd Frank rollback passed 67-31. I'll give him a little credit here, but this still had literally no chance of failing without his vote.
I'll help you out a little. The only vote I give him credit for is his vote for the care of infants after botched abortions. That is an actual moderate position currently. It shouldn't be, but it is. It's the only truly "moderate" vote I can find for him.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:52 am to phil4bama
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Have you ever walked into a VA hospital?
Yes, my wife used to work for the VA. Some of them are outdated, many of them are not. The VA and Medicare systems are very far from perfect, but then so is the private insurance system.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:54 am to The Spleen
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Yes, my wife used to work for the VA. Some of them are outdated, many of them are not. The VA and Medicare systems are very far from perfect, but then so is the private insurance system.
Private insurance system was the best system in the world until the Democrats destroyed it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:00 pm to The Spleen
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Are any other Republicans going to declare? I know there's been speculation of Del Marsh and Gary Palmer, but haven't seen any movement from anyone else recently.
I thought for sure we'd see another logjam of candidates because anyone not named Roy Moore will boat race Jones. I'm hoping that behind closed doors in some smoke-filled backroom there's an understanding among the ALGOP to keep the field small just in case Moore jumps in.
Of course this clown of clowns has all but announced his intention to run.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:07 pm to The Spleen
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Hey, you know that insurance plan you have where you have to pay a $5,000 deductible, get pre-approval from that carrier to see a specialist, may deny a claim if you use an out-of-network doctor, doesn't cover some prescription drugs, and has high premiums? What if I said you could have a tax-funded plan that allowed you to see any doctor, had no deductible, a low co-pay, covered all prescriptions you need, etc? Oh hell no! That sounds awful!
Yeah, frick the current system.
Paid roughly $300 a month for a $6500 deductible insurance. I only had to go to the doctor 1 time, and they made me go to this little "ER" place for the bill to even count against my $6500 deductible.
That cost me $200, they paid for nothing obviously. I had a small infection of my finger, just needed some antibiotics.
The only thing I got a discount on were the prescriptions. Which I didn't even expect to get so I had already found online coupons that had reduced the cost. But the pharmacist said I should try my insurance and it did come out to a few bucks cheaper than the coupons.
But that's such fricking bullshite. I paid the insurance all year but then still had to cover my medical costs for the year.
I have never been in favor of government healthcare, but this "insurance" is total bullshite. They've inflated the costs of everything to the point where other alternatives no longer exist.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
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I have never been in favor of government healthcare, but this "insurance" is total bullshite. They've inflated the costs of everything to the point where other alternatives no longer exist.
Insurance was never supposed to cover everything. Why do we think health insurance should cover the common cold? Does your car insurance cover your oil changes, new tires, tire rotations? Insurance is supposed to cover expenses that you could not reasonably afford on your own, and that's how our system worked prior to Obamacare. It worked really well. Medicare messed things up a lot, and that needed to be fixed, but they didn't address that at all. They also should have addressed the fact that medical practitioners don't advertise their pricing, which results in the consumer being unable to compare prices. Instead, they made the entire situation worse. It was obviously going to be worse from the start.
You could get a really cheap insurance plan that just covered major events prior to Obamacare. What Obamacare did was make all insurance exactly like that, only ridiculously expensive.
It will never be fixed as long as pre-existing conditions must be covered.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:35 pm to imjustafatkid
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Insurance was never supposed to cover anything. You could get a really cheap insurance plan that just covered major events prior to Obamacare. What Obamacare did was make all insurance exactly like that, only ridiculously expensive.
It will never be fixed as long as pre-existing conditions must be covered.
Yeah I've paid car insurance my entire life and never had a claim. But it's cheap, my deductible is reasonable if I did need it and it covers a huge range of things - even medical if it's a car wreck.
And my rates are way cheaper than most people. I get full coverage for what works out to be $55 a month(and it's not the minimum coverage required by law). Because my rates are tailored to me.
Health insurance now is just paying for everyone else. If you told me the plan was to ruin insurance to promote single payer, I'd believe you. But it's working.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:44 pm to 3down10
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If you told me the plan was to ruin insurance to promote single payer, I'd believe you.
I'm actually pretty sure this was the plan. They absolutely knew it wasn't going to actually improve anything for anyone, so I think it's fair to speculate on what their actual intentions were.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:09 pm to FairhopeTider
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I thought for sure we'd see another logjam of candidates because anyone not named Roy Moore will boat race Jones
Yeah, I was expecting at least a handful of candidates by this point.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:27 pm to The Spleen
I'm glad there hasn't been, because Bradley Byrne is a lock with the current field of candidates.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:09 pm to JustGetItRight
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The senate primary and presidential primary WILL BE ON THE SAME DAY AND SAME BALLOT.
This doesn't matter. Alabama won't be the deciding factor for who is the D presidential nominee. No one is fooled into thinking otherwise.
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even the simple assertion that they will choose to vote in the R primary during a presidential election cycle is ridiculous.
They will, and have before.
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I'll guarantee you I'm more familiar with it than you.
Sure ya are. quote:
John Rogers is a TERRIBLE state level candidate
The Birmingham electorate loves him. White libs will have to vote in the D primaries instead of the R primaries to combat this reality.
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Since I very recently retired from a job that for 30+ years put me in close contact with very high level state officials of both parties
But you aren't familiar with the recent law locking people into Republican or Dem runoffs if they vote in those primaries? How very...inconsistent with your claim.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 8:10 pm to mrbroker
If he was the best qualified, sure.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:38 pm to The Spleen
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What if I said you could have a tax-funded plan that allowed you to see any doctor
You clearly don't know how Medicaid works IRL.
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had no deductible, a low co-pay, covered all prescriptions you need, etc?
You don't seem to know how Medicare works either.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:43 pm to The Spleen
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Nevermind the fact that VA and Medicare outscore all private insurance plans in customer satisfaction.
You also don't seem to know anyone who has ever been subjected to VA care.
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Nearly every VA performed worse than other medical providers on industry-standard patient satisfaction surveys.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:15 am to Evolved Simian
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You clearly don't know how Medicaid works IRL.
I do. With a Medicare For All plan, there'd no longer be a Medicaid.
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You don't seem to know how Medicare works either.
I do. Again, I'm talking about a healthcare industry where private insurance is only for supplemental coverage, or for people that choose that over a government plan.
And my wife used to work for the VA. I'm very aware of a lot of the problems with the VA, and with the level of care provided by the VA system. Overall though, satisfaction results are fairly high compared to private carriers. VA hospitals get pretty terrible ratings and are not what I'm talking about.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 10:40 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I've gotten to know Tubby and his wife over the past few months, and it pains me to say that I really like both of them
They seem to be really happy with the life they have right now, out of the spotlight, and it seems weird that he would want to get involved in that circus, but maybe he just needs that kind of stuff.
I don't know any of his political views, but he has some great Ed O stories
He actually met his wife while she was out with Ed O, they were good pals
They seem to be really happy with the life they have right now, out of the spotlight, and it seems weird that he would want to get involved in that circus, but maybe he just needs that kind of stuff.
I don't know any of his political views, but he has some great Ed O stories
He actually met his wife while she was out with Ed O, they were good pals
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