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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 12:02 pm to stomp
Posted on 5/10/19 at 12:02 pm to stomp
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Doug Jones was about as serious a Dem candidate that wasn't a far left loon yet he still gets no credit from the right for his bipartisanship
He's not bipartisan on anything anyone cares about.
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 12:45 pm to Carolina Tide
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If Alabama actually goes ahead and votes in Moore (which I have this feeling that they will) then the state deserves all types of condemnation and ridicule that will come with it election a child pedophile into the senate.
Even if he enters the race, I don’t think Moore will get the nomination this time. A lot of GOP voters would turn out to make sure of it.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:14 pm to FairhopeTider
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Even if he enters the race, I don’t think Moore will get the nomination this time.
He won't.
Since his first Chief Justice fiasco, Roy Moore has never won a primary where he had an untainted opponent with statewide name recognition.
2006-Gubernatorial primary vs Bob Riley. Lost 67%-33%.
2010-Gubernatorial primary. Came in 4th @19%. Trailed Tim frickin' James, who's only draw was that he's Fob's son.
2012-Chief Justice. Won against Charlie Graddick who switched from (D) to run and Chuck Malone, a former Tuscaloosa circuit judge who'd been Bentley's chief of staff before being appointed to fill Sue Bell Cobb's term after she quit.
2017-Senate. Won against Luther Strange, who for some reason took his successful career and virtually guaranteed special election win and shot it right in the head by taking an appointment from the Luv Guv.
The notion that Moore wins every race he enters is a myth created by people who want to paint Alabama conservatives in a bad light. The truth is he only wins when he gets lucky draws.
I guess that could happen again. Folks like Kyle Whitmire will do their best to make it happen, but the overwhelmingly likely result is that Moore will get is 30% in the spring and someone else will kick Jones to the curb by 20 or so points in November.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/10/19 at 11:41 pm to FairhopeTider
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Even if he enters the race, I don’t think Moore will get the nomination this time. A lot of GOP voters would turn out to make sure of it.
A lot of Dem voters register R in Alabama to vote in the R primaries and would vote for him to take the nomination because they think Jones would beat him again. I believe that would backfire on them, but I would not be shocked for that to happen.
John Rogers challenging Doug Jones in the primary could be a huge gift to the Republicans in the primary who aren't named Roy Moore.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 5/11/19 at 1:09 pm to imjustafatkid
Random thoughts.
First, Alabama does not have closed primaries. Nobody has to register as a R or D to vote in primaries. You just show up and tell the little old lady at the table which ballot you want.
Second, not enough Ds will vote in the R primary to make a difference - particularly this time. This senate election corresponds with a presidential election and the D nomination will be wide open when Alabama votes. The suggestion that they will skip a chance to vote the presidential race to try and impact the senate race is just plain silly.
Finally, John Rogers? Really? Half the time you can’t even tell if he is speaking English. He will attract no major donors, have no effective ad campaign, and no chance at causing Jones one single second of worry. Not that it will matter anyhow. Jones will lose the general election and lose it badly.
First, Alabama does not have closed primaries. Nobody has to register as a R or D to vote in primaries. You just show up and tell the little old lady at the table which ballot you want.
Second, not enough Ds will vote in the R primary to make a difference - particularly this time. This senate election corresponds with a presidential election and the D nomination will be wide open when Alabama votes. The suggestion that they will skip a chance to vote the presidential race to try and impact the senate race is just plain silly.
Finally, John Rogers? Really? Half the time you can’t even tell if he is speaking English. He will attract no major donors, have no effective ad campaign, and no chance at causing Jones one single second of worry. Not that it will matter anyhow. Jones will lose the general election and lose it badly.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 10:37 pm to JustGetItRight
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2010-Gubernatorial primary. Came in 4th @19%. Trailed Tim frickin' James, who's only draw was that he's Fob's son.
Tim James had that silly drivers license commercial. If it weren’t for the rumor that he’d lower Saban’s salary, he would’ve been our governor the last 8 years. He only lost out to Bentley in the runoff by a few hundred votes.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:50 am to imjustafatkid
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He's not bipartisan on anything anyone cares about.
The thing that makes this statement pathetic is the fact that you had to reach to add weight to his bipartisanship.
Just because he didn't vote in lock step 100% with the GOP doesn't mean he wasn't bipartisan. You cant nitpick bipartisanship. "Well he didn't vote for muh Kavanaugh"
This is why parties need to be abolished nationwide.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:52 am
Posted on 5/12/19 at 2:27 pm to stomp
all i know is, if you vote for a democrat, then you get exactly what you deserve. but the rest of the country don't deserve that anti-america crap.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 2:38 pm to stomp
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The thing that makes this statement pathetic is the fact that you had to reach to add weight to his bipartisanship.
Just because he didn't vote in lock step 100% with the GOP doesn't mean he wasn't bipartisan. You cant nitpick bipartisanship. "Well he didn't vote for muh Kavanaugh"
This is why parties need to be abolished nationwide.
Nah, my statement was simply factual.
Name one thing he voted for that a typical Democrat would not like and would care about. Tell me what single "moderate" position he has take against his party at large.
If he were a true moderate, you'd see more serious primary challengers coming out against him. Not just John Rogers doing it out of spite over a recent public slight.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 2:57 pm to JustGetItRight
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First, Alabama does not have closed primaries. Nobody has to register as a R or D to vote in primaries. You just show up and tell the little old lady at the table which ballot you want.
This is both true and false. Yes, no one has to register R or D. My mistake. However, once you have voted R or D you cannot vote in the other party's runoff. It functions the same, so your statement here is basically useless.
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Second, not enough Ds will vote in the R primary to make a difference - particularly this time. This senate election corresponds with a presidential election and the D nomination will be wide open when Alabama votes. The suggestion that they will skip a chance to vote the presidential race to try and impact the senate race is just plain silly.
This makes no sense. The Presidential election has nothing to do with the primaries. You can vote for whomever you wish on election day no matter what you do in the primaries.
Most Dems don't care who is facing Trump in the national election. I doubt you'll see much difference just because the D primaries may still be going on. This certainly hasn't been shown in our state in recent years. Many vote in the R primaries because there won't be any D challengers in the general election. They put effort into voting for elections with no D contender and then try to vote for the worse R candidate in elections where there will be a D contender. The only thing that may make a difference is being forced to vote in any R runoffs, which locks them out of important D runoffs. This is extremely common practice in our state. I'm a little shocked you aren't aware that this happens.
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Finally, John Rogers? Really? Half the time you can’t even tell if he is speaking English. He will attract no major donors, have no effective ad campaign, and no chance at causing Jones one single second of worry. Not that it will matter anyhow. Jones will lose the general election and lose it badly.
Having an opponent who is known throughout the state face him in the Democrat Primary, who also happens to be a black man, is a big deal for Jones in the primary. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. To me, that means you clearly are not very familiar with the current state of Alabama's Democrat Party. This will be the only reason Dems who would normally vote in the R primaries (who absolutely voted for Roy Moore in the 2018 primaries) would choose not to do so this year.
The fact that most Dems vote in Republican primaries in Alabama, and that Doug Jones will be facing John Rogers in the D primaries, is a big deal whether you want to believe it or not.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:11 pm to imjustafatkid
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Name one thing he voted for that a typical Democrat would not like and would care about. Tell me what single "moderate" position he has take against his party at large.
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He votes across his own party lines 24% of the time. But that's not going to change your mind because you're not interested in facts and data.
If Sessions had that kind of record as Senator, the state GOP would have him banished from the party!
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:50 pm to stomp
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He votes across his own party lines 24% of the time. But that's not going to change your mind because you're not interested in facts and data.
Your link supports my assertion. He isn't moderate about anything that matters. You can't point to anything he has voted "across his party lines" on that truly matters to Democrats or Republicans.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:12 pm to imjustafatkid
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Your link supports my assertion. He isn't moderate about anything that matters. You can't point to anything he has voted "across his party lines" on that truly matters to Democrats or Republicans.
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So what you're saying is Republicans dont care about the following?
-The farm bill
-Expanding private care to veterans
-Rolling back some Dodd-Frank regulations
-Barr's nomination
-Other Trump appointee nominations
-Reauthorizing warrantless spying program as part of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
Because Jones voted in favor of each. And Trump was in favor of each.
Which one is it??!
Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:18 pm to imjustafatkid
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This is both true and false. Yes, no one has to register R or D. My mistake. However, once you have voted R or D you cannot vote in the other party's runoff. It functions the same, so your statement here is basically useless.
No, yours it the useless one. You said Ds would register as Rs, which was wrong but even the simple assertion that they will choose to vote in the R primary during a presidential election cycle is ridiculous.
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The Presidential election has nothing to do with the primaries.
My mistake. I thought I was talking to an adult. Since I'm not, I'll spell it out for you. The senate primary and presidential primary WILL BE ON THE SAME DAY AND SAME BALLOT. You cannot say give me a R senate primary ballot and a D presidential primary ballot. A D that chooses to vote in the R primary to try and secure the R nomination for Moore will forfeit their ability to vote in the D presidential primary - something few if any will do.
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To me, that means you clearly are not very familiar with the current state of Alabama's Democrat Party.
Since I very recently retired from a job that for 30+ years put me in close contact with very high level state officials of both parties, I'll guarantee you I'm more familiar with it than you. In a nutshell, you're assuming that black voters will vote for John Rogers simply because he is black. That didn't work for Artur Davis, who had MUCH better statewide name recognition than John Rogers.
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The fact that most Dems vote in Republican primaries in Alabama, and that Doug Jones will be facing John Rogers in the D primaries, is a big deal whether you want to believe it or not.
Maybe if you actually knew some of the people (as in they call you by your first name) in statewide office, had spend any time around a few statewide election campaigns, and had actually held a couple of public offices yourself you'd have a little better idea of what makes a good statewide candidate. John Rogers is a TERRIBLE state level candidate
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:57 am to JustGetItRight
I listened to an interview with Tubberville over the weekend. Good lord he came across politically ignorant and was clearly just pandering to the lowest common denominator voter. Sadly that strategy may just work in this state.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:01 am to The Spleen
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I listened to an interview with Tubberville over the weekend. Good lord he came across politically ignorant and was clearly just pandering to the lowest common denominator voter. Sadly that strategy may just work in this state.
Glad you caught that as well. The guy is really dense when it comes to the issues. Just a bunch of nonsense about PC culture and that he was for Trump ever since Trump announced. Clearly pandering.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:56 am to FairhopeTider
It was so cringe-worthy. He's definitely just trying to cash in on his name and Trump sycophancy. The latter is what the Republican primary will mostly turn into though, so I guess it's not a bad gambit.
Are any other Republicans going to declare? I know there's been speculation of Del Marsh and Gary Palmer, but haven't seen any movement from anyone else recently.
Are any other Republicans going to declare? I know there's been speculation of Del Marsh and Gary Palmer, but haven't seen any movement from anyone else recently.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:50 am to stomp
Those are not the big social programs that Jones and the Dems will try to push when they get their chance. That is where the rubber meets the road. Things like medicare for all, free college education. Let me see him vote against those kind things and then you can call him a moderate.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:22 am to The Spleen
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Are any other Republicans going to declare? I know there's been speculation of Del Marsh and Gary Palmer, but haven't seen any movement from anyone else recently.
Marsh has said he is not running. He pretty much killed his own chances anyway by being the one of the main forces behind the gas tax hike.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:28 am to IB4bama
Imagine being against cheaper healthcare (36% of the US already has Medicare or Medicaid) and education.
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