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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:16 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:16 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Guy's a self centered, back stabbing, disloyal a-hole...ask the Ole Miss and Texas Tech folks about him..he's a total prick and we've got enough of them up there already.
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Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:34 am to mrbroker
He also seems to be fairly accessible, enjoys interacting with the public, willing to hear both sides of a debate, and actually seems to vote based on his own decisions as opposed to what party leaders would probably prefer.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 11:54 am to pvilleguru
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He also seems to be fairly accessible, enjoys interacting with the public, willing to hear both sides of a debate, and actually seems to vote based on his own decisions as opposed to what party leaders would probably prefer.
Well now you're just talking crazy. Name one major issue where he has split with Democrat leadership.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 12:05 pm to imjustafatkid
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Name one major issue where he has split with Democrat leadership
Why does it have to be a "major issue"? He's been one of the roughly 5 most moderate senators since he got to DC.
What do you consider to be the major issues he's had to vote on?
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 12:07 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Of course I would if his views aligned with mine.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 12:34 pm to pvilleguru
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Why does it have to be a "major issue"? He's been one of the roughly 5 most moderate senators since he got to DC.
What do you consider to be the major issues he's had to vote on?
Here, I'll make it easier for you: My stance is that the only issue Doug Jones has reached "across the aisle" on was repealing portions of the Dodd-Frank act. A bill that passed with a 67-31 vote could hardly be considered a "moderate" stance to take, but I'm feeling generous today. Can you point to anything else?
If you can't, then calling him a "moderate" is a complete perversion of the term.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:14 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Assuming those 31 votes are democrats, he went against over 2/3 of the party.
A bill that passed with a 67-31 vote could hardly be considered a "moderate" stance to take,
Also voted to confirm Kleeh (65/30), Rettig (64/33), Lanza (60/35), Pompeo (57-42), Azar (55-43), Requirements for the care of infants born after failed abortions (53-44), Barr (54-45), reauthorizing warrantless spying program as part of the foreign intelligence surveillance act (65-34).
FiveThirtyEight has him with a Trump Score (how often a member votes in line with Trump's position) of 43.2%. No Republican scored below a 70%, only two current Democrats scored higher (Manchin 58.5%, Sinema 58.0%). Only 12 others scored above 30%.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:21 pm to pvilleguru
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reauthorizing warrantless spying program
You believe this to be a...conservative position? Conservative ideology is soundly against big government programs such as these.
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Requirements for the care of infants born after failed abortions (53-44),
...but against the 20-week abortion ban and against the ban on federal funding of health coverage that includes abortions. I would get support for all of those items with literally any Republican candidate. The fact that support for a bill requiring care for children born alive can be considered a "moderate" position tells me our country has truly lost its way. Such legislation shouldn't even be necessary.
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FiveThirtyEight has him with a Trump Score (how often a member votes in line with Trump's position) of 43.2%. No Republican scored below a 70%, only two current Democrats scored higher (Manchin 58.5%, Sinema 58.0%). Only 12 others scored above 30%.
Here's the link you forgot
Voting with Trump 43.2% of the time puts him 40% lower than expected based on how Alabamians voted in the 2016 election. Nevermind that a majority of the items he voted "with Trump" on went in favor of Trump's position by more than 60 votes. By that measure, being "moderate" just means "not being an extremist."
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:45 pm to imjustafatkid
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You believe this to be a...conservative position? Conservative ideology is soundly against big government programs such as these
I at least consider it to be a Republican position since its about foreign intelligence collection.
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but against the 20-week abortion ban
Have you looked into his reasons why? Less than 2% of all abortions occur after the 20th week (1.3% in 2015 according to the CDC), and roughly half are usually due to health reasons (either to the fetus or mother).
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:52 pm to imjustafatkid
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Voting with Trump 43.2% of the time puts him 40% lower than expected based on how Alabamians voted in the 2016 election
No shite, because that expects him to vote like an Alabama Republican (aka Richard Shelby).
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Nevermind that a majority of the items he voted "with Trump" on went in favor of Trump's position by more than 60 votes. By that measure, being "moderate" just means "not being an extremist."
Then you can consider just about everyone else in the Senate (both sides) to be an extremist.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:16 pm to pvilleguru
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I at least consider it to be a Republican position since its about foreign intelligence collection.
Warrantless spying has nothing to do with "foreign" intelligence collection. We don't need warrants to gather "foreign" intelligence.
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Have you looked into his reasons why?
Don't care what his reasons are. Voting against it is wrong.
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due to health reasons (either to the fetus or mother)
There has never been a bill on the table that would prevent clinically-necessary procedures from occurring to protect the life of an unborn baby or mother.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:20 pm to pvilleguru
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No shite, because that expects him to vote like an Alabama Republican.
No, that would expect him to vote like an Alabama VOTER, which is the only relevant term here.
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Then you can consider just about everyone else in the Senate (both sides) to be an extremist.
Simplifying the issue. Each Senator's record stands on its own merits. You can't call someone a "moderate" when they vote lock-step with Dem leadership on any legislative issues important to Dem leadership. That's not a moderate, that's a puppet. Voting "with Trump" on bills that have no chance of going against Trump's position is simple pandering, nothing more.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:25 pm to imjustafatkid
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Warrantless spying has nothing to do with "foreign" intelligence collection. We don't need warrants to gather "foreign" intelligence.
I just copied the wording that FiveThirtyEight used. It was an act to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to improve foreign intelligence collection and safeguards, accountability, and oversight of acquisitions of foreign intelligence, to extend title VII of such Act, and for other purposes (from congress.gov)
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Don't care what his reasons are.
Then you're doing yourself a disservice.
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There has never been a bill on the table that would prevent clinically-necessary procedures from occurring to protect the life of an unborn baby or mother.
That's not exactly what I was talking about.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:29 pm to imjustafatkid
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No, that would expect him to vote like an Alabama VOTER, which is the only relevant term here.
He ran on a moderate Democrat platform and won. You can't expect him to vote almost straight conservative.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:34 pm to pvilleguru
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That's not exactly what I was talking about.
But it's all that matters. The "life of the mother" excuse is nonsense, because there has never been a bill on the table that would endanger the lives of expectant mothers.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:35 pm to pvilleguru
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He ran on a moderate Democrat platform and won. You can't expect him to vote almost straight conservative.
I don't expect him to vote straight conservative. I expect him to take a single moderate position on anything. He hasn't, and you haven't demonstrated that he has.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:51 pm to imjustafatkid
If the GOP establishment was smart, it would support Mo Brooks, but it is not, so it will support Byrne or some other tired pick. Backing Strange over Brooks was one of Trump's first huge mistakes.
Also, I wish Trump supported Trump's campaign agenda. I saw him on the campaign trail saying that he would get the Defense contractors to lower their costs, so we could "rebuild" the military and still spend less. I also read his Immigration policy paper, and somehow, Trump forgot everything in it. Where are the EOs on Birthright Citizenship? The taxing of remittances to pay for the wall?
And he even inferred, correctly, that Saudi officials were involved in 9/11. Now, we are subsidizing their massacre of Yemenis, I guess because they hate Iran too. So stupid. And we are STILL in Syria, for Israel, per Trump's own words. Hillary had argued privately to Obama (per Wikileaks) that we had to destabilize Syria, for Israel. Trump ended up going along with the same tired neocon/neoliberal foreign policy that has been such a disaster and led to so many of our finest being killed or committing suicide.
He let the GOP establishment box him in on Russia. He has allowed them to demonize Russia and pretend that they are an adversary. Somehow, worse than China!
And look who Trump hired! The ONLY person still in his administration who supported his campaign agenda is Stephen Miller. He literally hired people who actively oppose his campaign agenda. Some tyrant. But what a buffoon!
What we got instead of Making America Great Again, was Making Israel Great Again. President Kushner is not for America first.
Also, I wish Trump supported Trump's campaign agenda. I saw him on the campaign trail saying that he would get the Defense contractors to lower their costs, so we could "rebuild" the military and still spend less. I also read his Immigration policy paper, and somehow, Trump forgot everything in it. Where are the EOs on Birthright Citizenship? The taxing of remittances to pay for the wall?
And he even inferred, correctly, that Saudi officials were involved in 9/11. Now, we are subsidizing their massacre of Yemenis, I guess because they hate Iran too. So stupid. And we are STILL in Syria, for Israel, per Trump's own words. Hillary had argued privately to Obama (per Wikileaks) that we had to destabilize Syria, for Israel. Trump ended up going along with the same tired neocon/neoliberal foreign policy that has been such a disaster and led to so many of our finest being killed or committing suicide.
He let the GOP establishment box him in on Russia. He has allowed them to demonize Russia and pretend that they are an adversary. Somehow, worse than China!
And look who Trump hired! The ONLY person still in his administration who supported his campaign agenda is Stephen Miller. He literally hired people who actively oppose his campaign agenda. Some tyrant. But what a buffoon!
What we got instead of Making America Great Again, was Making Israel Great Again. President Kushner is not for America first.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:54 pm to imjustafatkid
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I don't expect him to vote straight conservative
But the stat you wanted to point out would expect him to vote conservatively at about an 88% rate, which is why I ignored it from my initial post because it's kind of bullshite.
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I expect him to take a single moderate position on anything. He hasn't, and you haven't demonstrated that he has
Just because you throw out everything I've offered doesn't make it null and void.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:55 pm to imjustafatkid
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But it's all that matters.
Maybe to you, but it's not all that matters.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 3:29 pm to imjustafatkid
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There has never been a bill on the table that would prevent clinically-necessary procedures from occurring to protect the life of an unborn baby or mother.
And adding some language to a bill that would allow it only in cases to save a life would be extremely tricky. I don't see how you could possibly write it up that would have enough protections.
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