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re: Why has nobody refuted this account?
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:02 pm to coachcrisp
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:02 pm to coachcrisp
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If Miller did not know the gun was in the car and/or did not see the text his lawyer would have said so.
If Miller did know the gun was in the car and/or did see the text, and the police did NOT charge, then what does THAT tell you?
It tells me they don't think they have enough evidence to establish he brought the gun to Miles with the intent that it be used in a murder. My personal opinion is that he saw the text, knew the gun was in the car, and delivered the gun to Miles, but convinced himself in the heat of the moment that it would not be used to shoot someone. We can only speculate on what his intent was. The bigger issue is Bama's fricked up response to the whole situation.
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:20 pm to Imber
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We can only speculate
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Bama's fricked up
It means you are filing in the blanks without facts.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:27 pm to tide06
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This is the crux of it.
I’ll go one better than what you suggested. Why were all the other players there? At a certain point it looks like it COULDVE been a conspiracy or larger plan to retaliate against the guy from the bar.
But while we can speculate he did x or y, we don’t know for sure. And if the authorities aren’t alleging he did either of those things and no witness or evidence exists all we have is speculation without evidence to support a conclusion.
So what do you do at that point?
Personally I was so upset when the story first hit I almost didn’t renew my season tickets. From the way the story was being framed it was inexcusable the way it was being handled.
But based on the facts that can be proven, the laws on the books I’m not sure how else it could be dealt with?
A suspension implies he was an accessory to murder because if he’s not guilty of that he’s not guilty of anything. Someone guilty of that should be thrown off a team not suspended. And the reality is the evidence just doesn’t support that type of conclusion.
So I understand the outrage especially with the way the situation has been portrayed in the media but there isn’t a clear path for what the Bama AD was supposed to do here.
Miles was charged and was immediately thrown off the team.
If Miller were charged as an accessory I would hope he’d be thrown off the team as well, but he hasn’t been so absent a token suspension for a specious team violation that wouldn’t satisfy the lynch mob I’m not sure what the move here is supposed to be
A very good response tide06. It’s probable and even likely that Miller is not entirely innocent but there isn’t anything that can be proved to charge him with a crime.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:30 pm to coachcrisp
Sweet mental gymnastics Batman lol
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:30 pm to Imber
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The bigger issue is Bama's fricked up response to the whole situation.
How many more "issues" are we gonna come up with further belittle Miller? the team? the athletic dept.? the University? the state? etc...etc?
Knock yourselves over all this. The Tide will be there when it's all over, and with even more determination than ever.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:31 pm to tide06
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Bama's fricked up
It means you are filing in the blanks without facts.
No it doesn't. He should have been suspended at least until such time as the DA's office confirmed they were not pressing charges. Instead they turned a blind eye and put him on the first flight to South Carolina to play one of the worst teams in the conference.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:38 pm to OGtigerfan87
quote:It's eeeeasy when you're dealing with borderline mental capacities
Sweet mental gymnastics Batman lol
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:42 pm to Imber
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No it doesn't.
For what? No one at that point was suggesting he’d done anything wrong.
He was at the scene of a crime. That’s it.
He wasn’t involved in academic misconduct or skipping practice on campus where the school was the party involved in investigating the situation. The only facts Bama had were what they had been given by the Tuscaloosa PD and the DA which remains that he was simply a cooperating witness to a murder.
If a player is at a bank robbery should they be suspended until the robbery investigation is over even if they aren’t charged with a crime?
You wanted him suspended without evidence and that’s simply not how the justice system works.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 1:44 pm to Imber
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No it doesn't. He should have been suspended at least until such time as the DA's office confirmed they were not pressing charges.
That ain't the way it works, Scooter!
People aren't punished BEFORE charges are made. There'll be plenty of time for punishment (if guilty) once the authorities make their decision.
Use your head for something besides a hat rack!
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/16/23 at 2:13 pm to coachcrisp
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Lots of intelligent discourse here!
Typical Gump deflection, because you know what I stated was true
Posted on 3/16/23 at 2:22 pm to tide06
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Personally I was so upset when the story first hit I almost didn’t renew my season tickets. From the way the story was being framed it was inexcusable the way it was being handled. But based on the facts that can be proven, the laws on the books I’m not sure how else it could be dealt with? A suspension implies he was an accessory to murder because if he’s not guilty of that he’s not guilty of anything. Someone guilty of that should be thrown off a team not suspended. And the reality is the evidence just doesn’t support that type of conclusion. So I understand the outrage especially with the way the situation has been portrayed in the media but there isn’t a clear path for what the Bama AD was supposed to do here. Miles was charged and was immediately thrown off the team. If Miller were charged as an accessory I would hope he’d be thrown off the team as well, but he hasn’t been so absent a token suspension for a specious team violation that wouldn’t satisfy the lynch mob I’m not sure what the move here is supposed to be.
This is the best post I've seen on the matter. My issue is not with Bama not suspending Miller. Not much they could do there. It's the Gumps who act like Miller is some choir boy and will defend him to their grave just because he can shoot a damn basketball.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 2:26 pm to coachcrisp
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If Miller did know the gun was in the car and/or did see the text, and the police did NOT charge, then what does THAT tell you?
Tells me that if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, you would have a Merry Christmas. Enjoy your "ifs" and "buts."
Posted on 3/16/23 at 2:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
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defense attorney's
How is it a defense attorney when no charges are filed against him?
Posted on 3/16/23 at 2:57 pm to labamafan
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How is it a defense attorney when no charges are filed against him?
Not sure, ask him.
He's the one who hired a defense attorney.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 3:00 pm to labamafan
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How is it a defense attorney when no charges are filed against him?
When you deliver a murder weapon to the scene of the crime it’s a good idea to lawyer up.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 3:07 pm to coachcrisp
Spin doctor on full display
Posted on 3/16/23 at 3:39 pm to Imber
Did he in fact deliver a murder weapon or was a murder weapon,unknown to him,in the backseat of his car?
I believe this is what the police saw after the Bama players were questioned. There has to be intent.
Harry Rex Vonner can speak to the question of intent. After all he is a professional lawyer and the smartest man I know.
I believe this is what the police saw after the Bama players were questioned. There has to be intent.
Harry Rex Vonner can speak to the question of intent. After all he is a professional lawyer and the smartest man I know.
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