When will the Big 12, 10, and SEC break away?

Posted by profwilson

Member since Jul 2004

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:34 am to ucbearcats

The ACC is a better brand than the Big 12. No team in the Big 12 (after Texas and Oklahoma leave) has the football tradition of Clemson, Florida State, or Miami. The ACC's basketball brand is top-notch, and academically it runs circles around the Big 12.

I don't know why people are so eager to see the college sports world collapse down to two mega-conferences. Be careful what you wish for...

Posted by Cheese Grits

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 11:46 am to ucbearcats

Why do folks keep thinking ACC is getting carved up?

Big 6, ACC is on life support

Big 5, Big East is dead and ACC is stronger

Big 4, PAC is dead, B12 is G5's, B1G is still boring, ACC is SKRONG!

SEC is still #1 during all of this.

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Posted by Old Sarge

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:00 pm to Cheese Grits

UTrans was dancing on what the perceived as the big 12’s grave just months ago

Then the big 12 springs up like a zombie and is back at it and even stronger

Posted by 3rddownonthe8

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Member since Aug 2011

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:02 pm to ucbearcats

The B12 isn’t breaking away with the other 2. It’s funny you think you’re in the same league.

I think at the new contract .. 48 teams will split off into 8 divisions.

Everybody else will be in another league.

The Olympic sports and basketball will all go back to their home confs.

The 48
Notre Dame, Alabama, Texas, Southern Cal, Michigan
Ohio State, Oklahoma, Nebraska, UGA, UF,
Auburn, LSU, Tenn., FSU, Clemson
Oregon, UCLA, Washington, Texas AM, Penn State
Miami, UNC, West VA, Wisconsin, VA Tech
Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas, Mizzou, South Carolina
Kentucky, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Washington State
Virginia, NC State, Arizona St, Utah, Iowa
GA Tech, Stanford, CaL, Arizona, Mich State, Indiana

I listed the Blue bloods first, then just randomly listed the Big Time $$$ programs I could think of.. these are not the divisions , obviously. Some maybe out and others in; like Texas Tech for example.

I know for sure UCF and Cincinnati will not be there!

Posted by Cocotheape

Member since Aug 2015

3782 posts

Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:03 pm to nicholastiger

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ESPN is also to blame as they gave ACC a ridiculous deal to force conference change

This is a bizarre line of thought. The ACC schools happily signed their last deal, ESPN didn’t put a gun to their head. The schools believed the long Grant of rights would give the conference stability and prevent schools like Maryland from leaving and destabilizing the conference.

Posted by EthanHunt007

Member since Aug 2023

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:07 pm to spslayto

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One of these is not like the other 2.

Don't be so sure. Since they've equalized all conferences via the portal and NIL, the SEC has slipped.

Posted by ucbearcats

Member since Oct 2021

847 posts

Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:25 pm to CISO

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The Big 12 without UT and OU are basically a group of 5 conference.

That is not true. Texas and Oklahoma leaving will not hurt. The league was even made stronger by us and 3 more teams joined. Revenue for the league will go up after you leave. That's not counting the 4 corners to which Colorado and Utah are excellent additions.

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Posted by Hback

Member since Aug 2017

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:27 pm to ucbearcats

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That is not true. Texas and Oklahoma leaving will not hurt. The league was even made stronger by us and 3 more teams joined.

Posted by AUTiger789

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Member since Apr 2022

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:32 pm to profwilson

Top Rated Programs Available for Expansion (based on my overall program rankings); all teams not in either SEC or BIG10:

4. Notre Dame
11. Florida State
13. Miami
15. Clemson
23. TCU
28. Pittsburgh
31. Colorado
32. Stanford
33. Virginia Tech
34. BYU

This is an evaluation based on program success… not necessarily in order of their value. With that said, there are 3 ACC programs and one Independent who are more highly rated than the top Big 12 member.

The Big 12 has one Top 25 program after OU and TX bolt.

Posted by Chicken

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:37 pm to CISO

Big 12 will be on par with ACC, even without UT and OU

Posted by deltaland

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:38 pm to Cheese Grits

ACC is weird in that they as a whole have low fan support and viewership but put out some quality teams championship wise. And they have a lot of parity like the SEC. Only Virginia, Syracuse, and GT have sucked consistently. All others have had solid teams the past few years.

I don’t understand the lack of fan support and viewership outside of FSU and Clemson. Most schools are in heavily populated states with good media markets so it should be better than it is. Take Miami for example, their fan support is atrocious. The B1G sucks at everything. Their product on the field is terrible, they have no parity. It’s OSU, PSU, and Michigan. Everyone else is garbage but they all have great fan support and viewership on top of big media markets so the media pushes them.

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Posted by BreakawayZou83

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Member since Oct 2011

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 12:44 pm to ucbearcats

I see the ACC getting picked apart as follows:

Notre Dame and Virginia to the B1G. Done at 20 schools.

Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech to the SEC. Done at 20 schools.

Louisville, Miami, NC State, and Pitt to the Big 12. Done at 20 schools.

Boston College, Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech, SMU, Stanford, Syracuse, Wake Forest will plunder the best of the G5 to get back to at least 12 schools.

There isn't going to be any further "breaking away" than this in the foreseeable future. But B1G and SEC schools will have little incentive to schedule challenging non-conference opponents if they are already playing grueling 9 or 10 game conference schedules. Honestly, the Big 12 will be fine. Clearly third (at least in football), but will still offer a lot of good match-ups on a weekly basis. Their top team(s) will still be in the postseason mix, but they will get fewer playoff bids than the B1G or SEC.

Posted by profwilson

Member since Jul 2004

867 posts

Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:15 pm to deltaland

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ACC is weird in that they as a whole have low fan support and viewership but put out some quality teams championship wise.

This is in large part because they have so many private schools. With Duke, Stanford, Wake Forest, SMU, Boston College, Syracuse, Miami, and Notre Dame (in all but football), that will be far more private institutions than any other conference. It's a double-edged sword--private schools tend to have strong academic reputations and alumni all over the country, but they struggle to dominate their local markets in the way that public schools do. As a result, their attendance numbers tend to lag. Private schools have a lot fewer "sidewalk fans" public flagships do. The average kid growing up in North Carolina is much more likely to root for UNC than for Duke or Wake.

This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 1:23 pm

Posted by Tesla

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Posted on 9/20/23 at 1:55 pm to 3rddownonthe8

I agree with this for the most part. However, I think UCF is probably in that number before Cal or Indiana just based on the location and size of the market. I mean, it’s the largest in person university in the country by enrollment. Especially if it’s football only. Going back to conferences for the other sports is the right call for logistics.