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I see why the B1G needs FSU much more than the SEC needs FSU…

Here are the B1G teams that do not move the needle in terms of national viewership:


Both conferences will jump to add the top few ACC schools because it is the last power conference that has not been looted by the B1G and/or SEC. Once the ACC has been raided, I believe that is how the college football landscape (at least in terms of conference affiliation) will look for the foreseeable future.

There are only a handful of clearly additive programs left for the B1G and/or SEC: Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson, and UNC. Then there are a group that may be additive, but are not clear cut additions, including but not necessarily limited to: Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, Duke. I'd throw some of the four corners schools as wild cards for the B1G as well.

We're going to end up with 18-20 schools in the SEC, and the B1G will almost certainly end up with 20+. Expect a weird ACC-Big 12 Frankenstein conference to form and sort of hang around as a third "Power Three" conference. I'd also wager quite a lot that Notre Dame finally caves and joins the B1G if/when the ACC implodes.

If I was forced to guess, I'd say that the SEC will add FSU, Clemson, UNC, and Duke. I used to think VT would get that last spot, but I actually think there is real, underrated value in having a ratings gold mine for hoops in Duke, plus the biggest hoops rivalry. I think the SEC would like Virginia, but their administration will push for the B1G.

I think the B1G will add Notre Dame and Miami. It's conceivable they expand beyond 20 and add some more western schools to try to alleviate their current logistics nightmare. I could also see them adding Virginia and Georgia Tech. Hard to tell, I don't really understand the B1G's tactics. They added Rutgers and UCLA to a midwestern conference.
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think there is a very firm agreement by the SEC and UF that the conference will not add FSU and Miami. Plus the goal is to add marketplaces, they already have most of the Florida marketplace.


That might have been true 15 years ago. I think the SEC will add FSU if/when they break free of the ACC. Marketplaces still matter, but not to the degree they did a decade ago. Mizzou is lucky that they were an expansion target in the peak era of adding cable boxes/metros to increase conference revenue. The focus now is shifting to adding premium brands and creating compelling match-ups so that people will buy streaming packages and watch what the SEC has to offer (side note: this is where I think the SEC is much better positioned long-term than the B1G).

FSU offers both: a successful, popular program that regularly rates in the Top 10-15 in terms of viewership and athletic revenue despite being in the ACC, and it has immediate rivalries/good games with some big SEC schools that college football fans will want to watch. The biggest downside is their lack of market, and that does still somewhat matter, but I don't think it's a big enough inhibitor that the SEC lets them end up in the B1G.

(For what it's worth, I have no skin in the game here and I don't give a rat's arse about Florida State, never even been on their campus. Just calling it how I see it.)
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fricking 12 is too many, to double that is just asinine

It’s amazing how much the sport has fallen off

Also, I can’t wait for it to come back

I agree 12 is already too many. I disagree that the sport has fallen off. And I'd add that the post-season has always been the weak point of college football. But it has the best regular season of any sport/league.
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They dont have a GOR problem anymore. Buyout goes down yearly till 2036.

They do until they can afford to pay the exit fee. Sounds like FSU's AD thinks they can afford it in about 24 months.
Not one Mizzou fan will bite because we don't care about Missouri State. Happy that they have some solid programs.

I do wish that Missouri invested in its baseball program. They need to build a new stadium first (and ideally not on the coldest, windiest hill in Columbia since the first couple months of the season can be chilly in mid-Missouri). It does feel a bit like an "if you build it, they will come" scenario. Then it's time to fork out some cash for a splashy coaching hire. Missouri is a good high school baseball state and there used to be some level of baseball tradition there. Even recently, despite being a neglected program, Mizzou had some great players come through. I don't foresee Mizzou ever being consistently on the level of the top SEC programs, but it could be a whole lot better funded than it is now.
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We think There could be Potentially Sounds like wishful thinking.

I mean, they sued the ACC in an effort to get out of the conference last year. Hard for me to imagine that they would take that extreme measure if they weren’t pretty damn confident that they had a better landing spot (B1G or SEC being the only clearly better options than the current ACC).
I think after Texas was added while Aggy kicked and screamed all the way, the “gentlemen’s agreement” is off.
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This clowns always talk a mean game but when it comes time to put up or shut up they are churchmice.

The ACC is not going to let 10 years of rights go that easily.


The settlement from the FSU and Clemson lawsuit against the ACC reduced the penalties to leave the conference and provides that the schools keep their own media rights if they pay the exit fee. If a school leaves in 2027, they pay $129 million, in 2028 - $111 million, 2029 - $93 million, 2030 and beyond - $75 million. I wouldn't be shocked to see a school as desperate to leave as FSU eating the larger fee in the next couple years. Hell, Texas A&M paid Jimbo Fisher nearly that amount just to get him out of town.

re: Stay in school girls!

Posted by BreakawayZou83 on 4/21/26 at 2:28 pm to
I watched some of the Iowa State-Syracuse March Madness game at a bar, and I couldn't stop watching because of this gal. Pretty fun to watch, the rest of her team ... not so much.
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CFB will officially go full pants on head retarded if FSU is in the B10 over the SEC.

I feel like we hit that moment when USC and UCLA joined the B1G.
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It was resolved when FSU and Clemson settled with the ACC last year

Partially resolved. And based on your AD's statements, there might be a deal in the works to completely resolve it.
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If it’s FSU and NC that are coming, we will have 2 other teams coming with them. Likely Clemson and Duke (North Carolina won’t leave them behind)

Getting those 4 would be a pretty good pull if we are forced to do it. That being said, I don’t want it


I completely agree. I also don't want to live in a world where the B1G has more power and resources than the SEC, so I accept that further expansion is inevitable to keep pace.
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They've been dangling in the breeze for a while as the ACC sort of drifts along. You would think the SEC would have snapped them up a while ago if the interest was there.

As Greg Sankey put it a year or two ago, the ACC teams "have a grant of rights problem". Until that is resolved, the B1G and SEC aren't touching any ACC school since the ACC owns their media rights thru 2036.
They've eaten those years. A statement like that from their AD with such a specific timeline makes me think there are already some handshake deals in place. Makes me wonder who is coming with them (I'm assuming FSU will end up in the SEC, not the B1G). We've heard North Carolina rumors pretty frequently during the past year.
Arkansas seems to consider Texas or LSU their main rival, but it seems like they are tertiary for Texas and not really rivals at all for LSU. Which makes it all the stranger to me that Arkansas fans make such a point to resist the Mizzou game. Seems like they could use a good rivalry game or two.

Vanderbilt considers Tennessee its primary rival (if they really have a rival at all), but it would be tough to find a Tennessee fan that views Vanderbilt any higher than third of fourth on their rivalry pecking order.

LSU fans won't admit they have rivals. But it seems like they really dislike Bama and just don't want to deal with the fact that Bama fans will always focus on Tennessee and Auburn more than LSU. This Board is always at its peak when both Bama and LSU are in the hunt for a championship.

Miami seems like the odd one out of the Florida-Florida State-Miami rivalry triangle.

Kansas State definitely views kansas as its primary rival, but the jayhawks will always have Mizzou as their primary rival.

re: Your too soon 2026 takes

Posted by BreakawayZou83 on 4/10/26 at 5:02 pm to
Arkansas will lose to Mizzou.

re: Is Jon schuyer elite?

Posted by BreakawayZou83 on 3/30/26 at 3:13 pm to
He’s terrible and Duke should fire him immediately. Let me know when it happens so I can make some very quick calls to the Mizzou athletic department regarding our men’s basketball program.
Football fits in the SEC. Basketball belongs in the Sun Belt. Baseball belongs in t-ball.
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I mean no disrespect when I say this, but they were a middle of the road Big 12 team so what did they think would happen here?

That’s a bit revisionist. Mizzou was better than middle of the road for most of the Big Eight/Big 12 years. Always choked in the NCAA Tournament though.

The SEC years have been rough. And despite what Arkansas football fans think, if your program has been bad for a dozen years or more, they’re a bad program, no longer just going through a rough patch. Mizzou hoops is just a bad program at this point.