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re: What is the point of Saban denying Brandon Kennedy's transfer request?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:59 am to TouchdownTony
Posted on 5/22/18 at 12:59 am to TouchdownTony
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We don't question nor care what decision he makes. It always works out.
I agree. When lord Saban wants one second put back on the clock so he can try a 60 yard field goal, it always works out!
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Posted on 5/22/18 at 1:36 am to Jeff Boomhauer
Rigged game
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:08 am to Evolved Simian
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First because he's been illegally contacted. (And yes, he has. This always happens. Cole Cubelic said publicly last week he was called regularly in his dorm room by other SEC coaches trying to poach him. It happens everywhere, but especially at Alabama).
Second, because it forces the hand of the SEC to either a. enforce the rule, b. go through this every year, c. allow free transfer within the conference.
Third, because he signed a four year deal that Alabama has to honor by SEC rule. Not only that, but the staff has invested three years of training at the highest level available in CFB, and doesn't want to see that played out with two years of eligibility at a school they face every year.
All of this is valid, won't argue that. Except maybe the illegal contact, there's no proof that actually happened. Just because it happened to Cubelic, doesn't mean it happened to Kennedy. It may have happened, but you have to prove it.
And is it illegal to contact a graduate anyway? I don't know, I'm asking.
If Pruitt and Gus tried to poach him illegally, then No, he shouldn't be allowed to go to either school, I agree.
I keep going back to 2 things:
1. Graduate Transfer- the rules are different, maybe they shouldn't be, but for now they are. Grad transfers are a relatively new phenomenon and I'm sure the NCAA will impose new rules soon.
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2. Who initiated contact? IMO, this is critical. If it was Kennedy, no tampering.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:47 am to Evolved Simian
quote:For starters all players should be treated equal and not based on how bad a coach wants one but not another (which Saban admits he has done). Players should be allowed to leave any school for another at will to keep coaches honest with their promises and not wasting players careers by signing them just to keep them from other schools, knowing they aren't going to likely play.
Regarding the topic at hand, tampering is bullshite. Everyone knows it. The SEC has rules about in-conference transfers because of it. Officially blocking this one is a matter of principle on three counts.
If a players doesn't play a certain number of meaningful snaps a year and another school wants them then they should be allowed to leave for anyone. As far as leaving the other schools shouldnt be allowed to contact them first. The player should.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 6:57 am to Rabern57
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If a players doesn't play a certain number of meaningful snaps a year and another school wants them then they should be allowed to leave for anyone.
I don't necessarily agree with this regarding kids who haven't graduated. I believe a school should have a right to protect their investment to some degree. You can't have unrestricted free agency in college football.
Players get bad and dangerous advice all the time, some of these rules are in place to protect them as well.
But once they've graduated, they've demonstrated that they're mature enough to make their own decisions (ok, let's not derail this thread by discussing the dumbassery in academia lol). Grad transfers should be allowed to go wherever they want.
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As far as leaving the other schools shouldnt be allowed to contact them first. The player should.
Absolutely
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:02 am to Evolved Simian
Just make the Bama players return their Chargers if they leave school prior to graduating. That'll cut back on the tampering, as players would be less likely to leave if they had to return their ride. Pretty simple, right?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:06 am to Pickle_Weasel
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Just make the Bama players return their Chargers if they leave school prior to graduating. That'll cut back on the tampering, as players would be less likely to leave if they had to return their ride. Pretty simple, right?
Kennedy graduated tho. Keep up, internet user Pickle Weasel
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:10 am to Rabern57
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For starters all players should be treated equal and not based on how bad a coach wants one but not another (which Saban admits he has done). Players should be allowed to leave any school for another at will to keep coaches honest with their promises and not wasting players careers by signing them just to keep them from other schools, knowing they aren't going to likely play.
They can do that now based on rulings by the NCAA concerning Ole Miss transfers. The NCAA allowing immediate eligibility, in a nutshell, has created free agency in college football. All the player has to say is that they were lied to (playing time, position, etc...).
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:29 am to Evolved Simian
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Third, because he signed a four year deal that Alabama has to honor by SEC rule.
First of all, I believe players should follow the rules, but I also believe once player has graduated, he should be able to go anywhere he pleases, but not until that point. If the sec has a one year sit rule, then they must sit. But they should be able to go to any school they want to and more so if was recruited from high school(FWIW I dont remember where BK was going)
Haven't Alabama fans for years insisted the scholarships were one year contracts? now all of the sudden its a four year contract. And in what aspect has 4 years ever been the number as it pertains to the school? it only relates to players on field eligibility. Schools get anywhere from 1-5 years out of players
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:32 am to NYCAuburn
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Haven't Alabama fans for years insisted the scholarships were one year contracts?
yes
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now all of the sudden its a four year contract.
it depends on each individual situation with them.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:37 am to Rabern57
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For starters all players should be treated equal and not based on how bad a coach wants one but not another (which Saban admits he has done).(What the frick does that even mean?) Players should be allowed to leave any school for another at will to keep coaches honest with their promises and not wasting players careers by signing them just to keep them from other schools, knowing they aren't going to likely play.(The idea of a kid being able to jump from school to school just because something doesn't go his way is so ridiculous that it's almost comedic!.) (Also, with a 25 player recruiting max per year, it's absurd to think that any coach would use a scholly to keep a player off another team!)
If a players doesn't play a certain number of meaningful snaps a year and another school wants them then they should be allowed to leave for anyone.( WTF!!!!) As far as leaving the other schools shouldnt be allowed to contact them first. The player should.
You are either intentionally just fricking with this thread, or you're the biggest idiot on this board...as per previous posts, I'm guessing the latter.This post was edited on 5/22/18 at 7:39 am
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:54 am to NYCAuburn
quote:When was the last time that Alabama didn't allow a player to return on scholarship when they didn't break its terms?
Haven't Alabama fans for years insisted the scholarships were one year contracts? now all of the sudden its a four year contract. And in what aspect has 4 years ever been the number as it pertains to the school? it only relates to players on field eligibility. Schools get anywhere from 1-5 years out of players
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:55 am to Vols&Shaft83
Im ok with it...as long as the rest of the SEC's best grad transfers can head right on over to Alabama. Who doesnt want to end their college career with a national title?
Posted on 5/22/18 at 7:57 am to Fleurs
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Because frick you, that's why.
Saban is making a clear point, if you commit to Bama and Saban, you better get in line or you will regret it.
I am cool with it.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:00 am to coachcrisp
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When was the last time that Alabama didn't allow a player to return on scholarship when they didn't break its terms?
That doesn't answer my question or pertain to the topic
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:30 am to NYCAuburn
quote:Why certainly it does. You stated that Alabama folks looked upon scholarships as 1-year agreements and not for 4 years, so I asked you to back that statement up by telling me when was the last time that Alabama didn't allow a player to return on scholarship when they didn't break its terms....don't be obtuse.
That doesn't answer my question or pertain to the topic
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:35 am to NYCAuburn
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That doesn't answer my question or pertain to the topic
I believe that once a player transfers post-grad he can transfer anywhere he wants without restriction as long as the school offers his grad course. He does not have to sit. He can do so within the SEC IF the school gives permission. I believe this is a conference rule and its not consistent among P5 conferences, I am thinking the Big10 has the same rule.
Mo Smith was going to Miami and then Baylor. There was no problem until he decided to switch to UGA. There isn't a problem with Kennedy going to any other school outside the SEC and playing immediately. If he wants to play at AU or UT then Bama has to Ok it. They have declined to do so and I don't really see what the problem is with that.
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:37 am to Vols&Shaft83
Y'all Auburn posters suck.??
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:40 am to JCinBAMA
Posted on 5/22/18 at 8:41 am to JCinBAMA
It is part of that Inferiority Complex U's tradition.
This is going to be Saban vs Sankey II
JMO but the player should be able to go anywhere but to a SEC school. You either have a rule or you don't.
Oh a F that obnoxious overbearing yankee Sankey
This is going to be Saban vs Sankey II
JMO but the player should be able to go anywhere but to a SEC school. You either have a rule or you don't.
Oh a F that obnoxious overbearing yankee Sankey
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