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Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:08 pm to theCAW
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:08 pm to theCAW
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I think I said to you in a different thread that you might be able to view the situation more objectively than me but I just have a hard time buying into someone that the UAA and Gary Condom is pumping so hard to the fan base right now
Dude, Sumrall was probably the best hire of the offseason.
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Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:10 pm to Landmass
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Dude, Sumrall was probably the best hire of the offseason.
Truth, brother Landmass
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:18 pm to Boomer00
By what criteria would you say Venabals is better than Drinkwitz?
In Venables 4 seasons as a head coach he is 32-20 for a win % of 61.5% and his teams never finished higher than #13 in the AP poll (#10 in Coaches). He is 1-1 head to head against Drinkwitz.
Drinkwitz in 7 seasons as a HC is 58-30 for a win % of 65.9% and has finished #8 in both AP & Coaches.
If you want to throw in the CFP appearance, remember OU made it in a 12 team field. In 2023 Mizzou wouid have easily made the CFP had the CFP been expanded to 12 by then. So that's a wash.
Ummm...see 2023 (11 wins) and 2024 (10 wins) and if you like you can add 12 wins at Appalachian State but I'm not hanging my hat on that one.
There is no objective criterion to support your assertion.
In Venables 4 seasons as a head coach he is 32-20 for a win % of 61.5% and his teams never finished higher than #13 in the AP poll (#10 in Coaches). He is 1-1 head to head against Drinkwitz.
Drinkwitz in 7 seasons as a HC is 58-30 for a win % of 65.9% and has finished #8 in both AP & Coaches.
If you want to throw in the CFP appearance, remember OU made it in a 12 team field. In 2023 Mizzou wouid have easily made the CFP had the CFP been expanded to 12 by then. So that's a wash.
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but drinkpiss and other coaches who can’t win 10 games are better?
Ummm...see 2023 (11 wins) and 2024 (10 wins) and if you like you can add 12 wins at Appalachian State but I'm not hanging my hat on that one.
There is no objective criterion to support your assertion.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:30 pm to tigersbh
Based off of current HC-to-resource records, it'd have to go something like this.
1. Kirby
2. Lane
3. Clark Lea (most likely to drop quickly post Pavia)
4. Sarkisian
5. Deboer
6. Heupel
7. Elko
8. Drinkwitz
9. Venables
10. Sumrall (my pick to move up quickly)
11. Beamer
12. Golesh
13. Silverfield
14. Golding
15. Lebby
16. Stein (No reference for HC)
Tempted to move Sark down. I don't think very highly of him. People will yell at me because Venables has made the playoffs and Drink hasn't but Drink would have in 2023 and that's recent enough. Venables has been inconsistent so far.
Golding has as many wins against SEC schools in 1 game as Lebby has in 2 seasons and his win was far more impressive.
1. Kirby
2. Lane
3. Clark Lea (most likely to drop quickly post Pavia)
4. Sarkisian
5. Deboer
6. Heupel
7. Elko
8. Drinkwitz
9. Venables
10. Sumrall (my pick to move up quickly)
11. Beamer
12. Golesh
13. Silverfield
14. Golding
15. Lebby
16. Stein (No reference for HC)
Tempted to move Sark down. I don't think very highly of him. People will yell at me because Venables has made the playoffs and Drink hasn't but Drink would have in 2023 and that's recent enough. Venables has been inconsistent so far.
Golding has as many wins against SEC schools in 1 game as Lebby has in 2 seasons and his win was far more impressive.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:31 pm to Boomer00
I agree. The only argument in favor of Drink is if someone perceives the ceiling being so low at Mizzou that he has done the impossible of making multiple bowl games.
Gary proved Mizzou can compete and get 10+ wins in any 3 year stretch.
I think Brent has done more. I watched Drink pee down his leg last year in Norman and refuse to win a game OU begged Mizzou to win.
But truly, If the programs traded coaches I think they’d both be about the exact same programs. At the end of the day we are arguing about upper middle class homes.
Gary proved Mizzou can compete and get 10+ wins in any 3 year stretch.
I think Brent has done more. I watched Drink pee down his leg last year in Norman and refuse to win a game OU begged Mizzou to win.
But truly, If the programs traded coaches I think they’d both be about the exact same programs. At the end of the day we are arguing about upper middle class homes.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:38 pm to BurgTiger
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The only argument in favor of Drink is if someone perceives the ceiling being so low at Mizzou that he has done the impossible of making multiple bowl games.
Really? That's the ONLY argument? See my post above.
Sounds like you're not much of a Drinkwitz fan. Believe me, I've had my own issues with Drink over the years (particularly last season), but on an objective basis, there are a number of reasons to rank Drink higher.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:03 pm to VFL67
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his metrics are better than more than half the coaches in the league.
There will be six new HC at SEC schools out of 16 so that’s not saying much.
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Sarks and Kiffin's numbers when you break them down like that are not impressive either.
These are not the same. Sark at Texas is 12-15 (44.4%) against final AP Top 25 opponents. Kiffin at Ole Miss was 11-11 (50%). Heupel at 7-15 (31.8%) and trending down is not in the same league as those other two.
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By his career and numbers, he is a top 5 coach in the league.
Again there are only 10 returning coaches at their schools in 2026. Kirby, DeBoer, Sark, and Kiffin are worlds ahead of Heupel. If you consider trajectory, Elko and Venables should be rated ahead as well.
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He is not going to get fired unless he has a losing season this next year
Yes I agree which says more about the state of Tennessee football in this era than it does about Heupel himself.
Heupel’s win% against ranked opponents (31.8%) is significantly worse than a lot of Big 6 coaches who have been fired. Les Miles (52.6%) and Ed Orgeron (47.8%) were both fired by LSU. Gene Chizik (43.5%), Tommy Tuberville (40.4%) and Gus Malzahn (32.5%) were fired by Auburn despite all having won an SEC Championship and all having a better win% against ranked opponents than what Heupel has now through five seasons at Tennessee.
Auburn gets a bad wrap for having coaches continually on the hot seat, but I guess it’s good we don’t put up with mediocrity like Tennessee seems to be okay with nowadays.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:08 pm to tigersbh
Another random opinion to the care not much about.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:15 pm to tigersbh
Heupel wishes he had the gut of Elko.
Better load up on beer and brisket.
Better load up on beer and brisket.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:27 pm to CelticTiger
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By what criteria would you say Venabals is better than Drinkwitz?
Is this some type of joke? Every criteria.
#1 Trajectory
Oklahoma went to the playoff last season. Missouri has gone two consecutive seasons without beating a ranked opponent (0-7 in such games).
#2 Big Wins
Venables is 5-15 against ranked opponents (25%). Not good at all but again he seems to be trending better. Drinkwitz is 4-18 (18.2%) and is going in the opposite direction.
#3 Beating the teams you’re supposed to beat
Venables is 27-5 against opponents finishing UNRANKED (84.4%). You really need to be above 80% or so at a minimum. Drinkwitz is 42-11 (79.2%) in this stat. Not great.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:36 pm to Landmass
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Dude, Sumrall was probably the best hire of the offseason.
Sumrall is highly overrated IMO.
Against ranked power 4 opponents, Sumrall is 0-3 all-time (using final AP rankings). That’s not good but considering he was at Troy/Tulane the record was to be expected. However, it’s the lack of competitiveness in those games that raises numerous red flags. His teams lost those games by 29, 31, and 35 points. That’s not good.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:39 pm to Quicksilver
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3. Clark Lea
This is batshite crazy. Clark Lea is 1-18 against ranked opponents since he got to Vandy. I understand grading folks on a curve sometimes, but this is ridiculous.
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