CelticTiger
| Favorite team: | Missouri  |
| Location: | Saint Louis |
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| Registered on: | 2/5/2019 |
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re: I want to talk Football...for obvious reasons...
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/20/25 at 10:19 pm
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Like how much research did you do to make that argument? It’s dumb.
I'd say about .00001 seconds. Have you ever used a search engine? Talk about dumb.
LINK
This was akin to analog research. You're definitely gonna struggle with AI. Are you really old or something?
The SEC East was only dogshit during that time frame if you believe the AP is not the arbiter of college football rankings and champions, in which case you're going to have to question all the pre-playoff times the AP said OU was worth a shite! The AP concluded that teams in the SEC East were better than OU in the 2010's more often than not. Fact. Is AP only right when they like you and wrong when they don't?
...and before you jizz all over the summary rankings in that link, READ! The summary rankings are just CFN's arbitrary point system. CFN is not and has never been a nationally recognized ranking outlet. It's essentially a college fantasy football group sitting around a table tossing out arbitrary point values:
"Take all the AP final rankings and use our CFN scoring system – the AP national champion gets 25 points, the No. 2 team 24, No. 3 23, and so on down to the bottom." emphasis mine
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re: I want to talk Football...for obvious reasons...
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/20/25 at 3:32 pm
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Do you think OU fans are going to be impressed with those stats? That's basically saying OU would have run that division in the 2010s.
I couldn’t care less who’s impressed with what. The post was in response to a poster who maintained that the SEC East was dogshit in the 2010’s. If the SEC was dogshit in that era and still had multiple teams (or at least a team) finish above OU more often than not, what does that say about OU? Follow the logic.
As to your second statement, I have no idea how you would come to that conclusion given SEC East teams finished above OU most of the time.
re: I want to talk Football...for obvious reasons...
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/20/25 at 1:10 pm
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I recall that division in the mid 2010s being as lethal as a defanged and toothless bobcat.
...and yet in the decade 2010-2019 at least one SEC East team ranked above OU 60% of the time in the final AP rankings (40% of the time it was multiple teams):
3 SEC East Teams ranked above OU one time - 2012
2 SEC East Teams ranked above OU three times - 2013, 2014, 2019
1 SEC Team ranked above OU two times - 2011, 2017
re: Just eliminate the check swing please
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/20/25 at 11:27 am
Resurrecting an older thread as I happened upon this article from the WSJ today which is fairly on point with the YouTube vid posted above. MLB will test a technology solution in the Single-A Florida State League:
What Is a Swing
The general proposed new rule:
A couple of things I found interesting/amusing in the article:
...and this from old-school retired MLB umpire Paul Emmel who apparently will not be a fan of the new technology:
What Is a Swing
The general proposed new rule:
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If the head of the bat is ahead of the knob on the end by more than 45 degrees, the pitch will be deemed a strike.
A couple of things I found interesting/amusing in the article:
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“We hear a lot of things that a check swing is,” MLB umpire supervisor Charlie Reliford said. “For example, ‘breaking the wrist’ or ‘the bat crossed the plate’ or ‘the bat crossed the front leg’ or ‘the bat crossed the foul line.' The problem, umpires say, is that none of those pithy catchphrases come from the actual rulebook. As a result, calls are wildly inconsistent. ”
...and this from old-school retired MLB umpire Paul Emmel who apparently will not be a fan of the new technology:
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“If it’s that close that I don’t know if you swung or not, you swung,” Emmel said. “Why is your poor hitting my problem?”
“There’s no such thing as a half swing or a check swing,” Emmel said. “You either swung at the pitch or you didn’t.”
re: Who is the best player from your school, and would they be your starter today?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/16/25 at 10:19 am
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I would bet that 9 out of 10 football fans have no idea who Roger Wehrli is.
Well, maybe you're right. But you could say the same thing regarding a number of all-time players being named in this thread.
File this away for your next sports trivia night though. The term "shutdown corner" originated with Wehrli. Literally.
re: Who is the best player from your school, and would they be your starter today?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/14/25 at 10:55 pm
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Why is it not surprising that no one has ever heard of the best guy from Missouri.
There is no actual requirement that you demonstrate publicly your ignorance of CFB and the NFL, yet you still do so. However, thanks for letting us all know so we don’t waste time thinking you know anything.
Here’s a little lesson:
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Roger Russell Wehrli is an American former professional football player who spent his entire 14-year career as a cornerback for the St. Louis Cardinals of the National Football League (NFL) from 1969 until 1982. He was a seven-time Pro Bowler after playing college football for the Missouri Tigers, where he was a consensus All-American and a first-round draft choice by the Cardinals in 1969. He was inducted to the College Football Hall of Fame in 2003 and the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2007.
re: Setting the record straight on Mizzou and the Big 10
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/14/25 at 10:40 pm
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You aren't interesting, pretty, or tall.
You don’t actually deserve a reply Mr. 105 posts since your arrival in March. I’d like to excuse you as an alter, but no one creates an alter to spew something this fricked up.
What in the actual frick??? Lay off the crack pipe!
re: Setting the record straight on Mizzou and the Big 10
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/14/25 at 2:52 pm
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and it was in the last few years where tv households in the bundled cable tv era was more important than national ratings appeal.
Finally, someone gets it!
Missouri was a great market at the time, not because Missourians' eyes were glued to their sets watching Mizzou sports, but because there were lots of reasons to buy the bundle: Cardinals, Royals, Chiefs, Blues (and yes, even Mizzou). This gave Slive incredible leverage to negotiate with ESPN (especially with the A&M market bundles).
Not sure how this would all work in today's market. But I did just see that ESPN is going to bundle their streaming for $29.99 per month. I don't think MLB is included in that stream though.
re: Why would the SEC agree to a ‘salary cap’ the same as the ACC or Big-12?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/14/25 at 2:39 pm
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I think here is one of the bigger problems. Up until 4 years ago, there was no market value for college athletes from advertisers, corporations etc. There was no way to know how much money they could command. All they can do really is have all the collectives who are going to participate submit their balance sheets, look at it and come up with a figure.
Concur. The subjectivity here is off the charts.
Theoretically, Deloitte would look at how that athlete's attributes are advancing the objectives of the payor. Under the proposed agreement I'm not even sure how collectives fit in. if the collective is the payor, what benefit does the collective receive to even determine if the payment to the athlete is fair? Is the collective being paid by donors for use of the athlete's name and and image? If so, how are they using it? Remember, this is designed to prevent pay to play so the benefit would have to be more tangible than the warm fuzzy feeling the donor gets for seeing his team win I would think.
If we go back to pre-collective days, it's a little more straightforward, if still almost impossible to determine. Is the car dealer paying FMV for the athlete to promte his cars? Who knows?
re: Setting the record straight on Mizzou and the Big 10
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/14/25 at 12:42 pm
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Slive called Missouri his biggest regret before he died.
Link? Or is it just something he said to you in a conversation?
re: Why would the SEC agree to a ‘salary cap’ the same as the ACC or Big-12?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/14/25 at 12:23 pm
Here is how it is proposed in the NCAA Settlement.
The 22% is a de facto salary cap, but it has nothing to do with NIL which is a completely separate category. SCHOOLS can only pay athletes collectively up to that limit. From what I was able to find, the individual distribution of same is at the school's discretion.
The COMPLETELY SEPARATE NIL provisions outlined in the agreement call for all NIL payments over $600 to be reported to an independent 3rd party (if I recall correctly it suggests that entity is the accounting firm Deloitte). Deloitte would then make a determination as to whether or not the NIL payment is fair market value for the USE of that particular athlete's name, image or likeness. I seriously doubt they will opine on anything other than very large NIL deals.
From the OP's article:
The wildcard here are the NIL Collectives. With the advent of the proposed revenue sharing model, the NCAA has indicated that it will step up enforcement of NIL collectives so that payments to athletes are only for true NIL, and that these entities are not used as vehicles to circumvent (and exceed) the forthcoming $ 20.5 million revenue sharing cap.
The 22% is a de facto salary cap, but it has nothing to do with NIL which is a completely separate category. SCHOOLS can only pay athletes collectively up to that limit. From what I was able to find, the individual distribution of same is at the school's discretion.
The COMPLETELY SEPARATE NIL provisions outlined in the agreement call for all NIL payments over $600 to be reported to an independent 3rd party (if I recall correctly it suggests that entity is the accounting firm Deloitte). Deloitte would then make a determination as to whether or not the NIL payment is fair market value for the USE of that particular athlete's name, image or likeness. I seriously doubt they will opine on anything other than very large NIL deals.
From the OP's article:
The wildcard here are the NIL Collectives. With the advent of the proposed revenue sharing model, the NCAA has indicated that it will step up enforcement of NIL collectives so that payments to athletes are only for true NIL, and that these entities are not used as vehicles to circumvent (and exceed) the forthcoming $ 20.5 million revenue sharing cap.
re: SEC Expansion History Quality: What athletic department was worth it?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/9/25 at 11:30 pm
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But like I said, dynamics have changed. When next TV deal is negotiated it won't be based on TV sets, it will be based on brands both of the conferences themselves as well as the individual teams.
I believe this to be true in the current environment.
re: SEC Expansion History Quality: What athletic department was worth it?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/9/25 at 11:29 pm
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We got nothing but ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY with the other two.
Fixed it for you dumbass! Going through life looking stupid is a choice. Read a fricking article or two!
re: SEC Expansion History Quality: What athletic department was worth it?
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/9/25 at 11:15 am
Well, I suppose you could measure it that way, but the people in charge measure it in $$$.
Adding A&M and Mizzou in 2012 gave Slive the extra leverage needed to negotiate and launch the SEC network in an unprecedented deal (at the time), enriching ALL SEC schools.
There’s plenty of articles on it. You ought to read a few.
Adding A&M and Mizzou in 2012 gave Slive the extra leverage needed to negotiate and launch the SEC network in an unprecedented deal (at the time), enriching ALL SEC schools.
There’s plenty of articles on it. You ought to read a few.
re: Who gets paid in the NCAA Settlement
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/8/25 at 1:37 pm
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Just how is this being calculated?? As an accountant I'm 1000% positive it will come with tons of nits to pick
The settlement provides for 4 Settlement Funds
The NIL Settlement Fund has 3 pieces:
Broadcast NIL (BNIL) $1.815B
Video Game NIL $71.5M and
Lost Opportunities NIL $89.5M
The BNIL & Video Game NIL will be fairly formulaic based on:
-Sport Played
-The Conference in which he or she played and
-The number of years played
It seems to me the toughest one to allocate will be the Lost Opportunities Fund, which purports to have a before and after methodology (the dividing line being the July 2021 rule changes on NIL). This agreement covers eligible athletes for the period June 15, 2016 to September 15, 2024. The methodology purports to reference the athlete's post-2021 NIL earnings to estimate his or her pre-2021 earnings.
It appears from this that if you ended your playing career before July 2021 you would have no claim to payment from the Lost Opportunities Fund (but would still be eligible for the other funds).
The 4th fund is the Additional Compensation Fund of $600M
The Additional Compensation Fund to be paid out will be allocated 95% to Power 5 football, men's basketball, and women's basketball in a ratio of 75/15/5 to Football, MBB and WBB respectively. This too is fairly formulaic including a standardized minimum amount. But in this case, there will be adjustments for seniority, recruiting star rating, and certain performance metrics.
These amounts will be paid out over 10 years.
re: Who gets paid in the NCAA Settlement
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/7/25 at 12:24 pm
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The lawyers
You got that right!
From the Plaintiff’s motion for preliminary settlement approval:
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Plaintiffs have litigated extensively to develop facts, economic theories, and models for class-wide damages. Over the last four years, Plaintiffs negotiated discovery protocols and search terms and reviewed millions of pages of documents. To obtain the evidence needed to support their claims, Plaintiffs subpoenaed nearly 200 third parties, including 153 NCAA member schools, multiple professional leagues and player associations, and several other industry participants. Plaintiffs deposed 40 fact witnesses, including the former President of the NCAA, conference commissioners, and athletic directors, and Defendants deposed the named Plaintiffs. Experts for both sides have been deposed, sometimes more than once, and have collectively submitted 22 reports totaling 2,885 pages. Plaintiffs’ economists worked extensively with data from Defendants, hundreds of schools, and other sources to develop a model capable of calculating reliable damages estimates for the classes. Berman Decl., ¶ 3.
re: Who gets paid in the NCAA Settlement
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/6/25 at 11:31 pm
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I wonder how many other things are allocated to things like that.
I’m not a lawyer, but my career demands that I read and interpret a lot of agreements/contracts/settlements for various reasons. One thing I’ve found is “journalists” are some of the laziest and misinformed people on the planet. They take, say, an AP feed and rearrange or repackage it without having a clue what they are talking about.
I linked a law school article in the OP which, admittedly, is only SLIGHTLY better.
Maybe tomorrow I will search for the ACTUAL proposed settlement.
re: Who gets paid in the NCAA Settlement
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/6/25 at 11:18 pm
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And did you miss the part where they are actually calculating the "worthiness" based off of marketing value charts. The guys who are "worthy" are the ones who are going to get paid from the settlement. Not some no name swimmer from some ivy league school.
I didn’t miss shite. I did the research. I was simply pointing out to the poster that McNair and Sanders were not eligible. What part of…
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I’M SURE you could point to some in that time frame who are worthy.
…did you misinterpret?
re: Who gets paid in the NCAA Settlement
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/6/25 at 11:11 pm
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Who's building that spreadsheet
Likely a marketing consulting firm like Marketing Valuations, Inc. They came up with the Q-Score system that that advertisers and public relations companies use. They measure the brand value a specific person has.
I was kinda hoping it would be SummerOfGeorge :lol:
re: Who gets paid in the NCAA Settlement
Posted by CelticTiger on 5/6/25 at 2:14 pm
Saw that too.
Does this mean the school has unfettered discretion on who gets the money?
In the absurd, could a school theoretically pay one stud QB $20.5M :dunno:
Does this mean the school has unfettered discretion on who gets the money?
In the absurd, could a school theoretically pay one stud QB $20.5M :dunno:
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