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re: SEC Admissions : ACT/SAT scores - 25th percentile and 75th percentile

Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Guitarcheese
Lakesite, TN
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:26 am to
What % of bama students are from out of state?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94908 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:28 am to
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The SEC is a race for 2nd place.

Football - Bama
Basketball - Kentucky
Baseball - LSU
Academics - Vanderbilt
This is true

you can add one also

Overall Athletics- Florida
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:29 am to
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What % of bama students are from out of state?





In 2017 it was :

- 41% in state
- 56% out of state
- 3% international

- 56% women
- 44% men
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:30 am to
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- 41% in state
- 56% out of state
- 3% international
Blast away but that is crazy for a flagship public university

I would be pissed if Lsu ever went that way
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:32 am to
Yea - it's gotten a bit overboard. I'd even be ok at 53/47 OOS/IS or something, but 60/40 is just too much.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94908 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:33 am to
Hell I would be pissed if Lsu ever got under 70% in state


I mean the majority of your students and professors are out of state now

You are no longer the University of Alabama, you are the University in Alabama
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:35 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:35 am to
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Hell I would be pissed if Lsu ever got under 70% in state




I wouldn't want that - heck, I was an OOS kid. There are a lot of us who are from Alabama alum families that went to Atlanta or Nashville or wherever after school but whose kids were always going to go to Tuscaloosa for school (Auburn very similar). I'd say somewhere around 10-15% of the OOS kids are that way.

The influx of geographical diversity has pros and cons, but the pros are the University as a whole has challenged and changed/removed a whole lot of "old things" that were just kind of accepted throughout the years because nobody challenged it, even though a lot of the local kids probably would tell you they didn't like or agree with it.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:37 am
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:36 am to
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In 2017 it was :

- 41% in state
- 56% out of state

- 3% international

- 56% women
- 44% men



I have talked to some State Legislators and they plan to address this issue in the future. It is a problem at both AU and UA. The fact that tuition keeps increasing at great levels to in state residence trumps the justification of those numbers by both schools. They are looking at placing some of the restrictions that the State of NC has in order to recieve State Funding.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 10:52 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:37 am to
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I have talked to some State Legislators and they plan to address this issue in the future. It is a problem at both AU and UA. The fact that tuition keeps increase at great levels to in state residence trumps the justification of those numbers by both schools. They are looking at placing some of the restrictions that the State of NC has in order to recieve State Funding.




Yea - that is not a healthy breakdown.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
7997 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:06 pm to
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Hell I would be pissed if Lsu ever got under 70% in state


I mean the majority of your students and professors are out of state now

You are no longer the University of Alabama, you are the University in Alabama


If I recall correctly, North Carolina has a state law that requires 82% of the student body to be from the state - it's what makes out-of-state admissions to UNC on par with the Ivies, Vanderbilt, ND, Rice, Stanford, etc. UVA tries to stay around 70% in-state, and the out-of-state admissions like UNC reflect accordingly.

However, for both of those schools, their total undergrad enrollment is somewhere around 16,000. Michigan is about 30,000 undergrad and 55 - 60% in-state, and Cal is about 30,000 undergrad and about 77% in-state.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:15 pm to
I understand the reasons for growing A&M so fast but am still not a fan. The number of kids on campus now is just insane to me. I also feel like a lot of the hard work done under Gates to raise our academic profile is being undone somewhat.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50240 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:22 pm to
A&M needs to get on the ball hiring to keep a good ratio.

We're also expanding to meet needs. Texas needs more engineers and A&M is going to provide them.
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
3804 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:27 pm to
In all fairness to both Ole Miss and State, neither school have control over admissions requirements. They have to adhere to state law on that.
Posted by bgator85
Sarasota
Member since Aug 2007
6021 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:30 pm to
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They have room (real estate) to grow and are keeping their culture by not making it damn near impossible for regular students to get in. Florida is getting way too nerdy for my taste. I see lots of kids growing up as Gator fans because one or two of their parents went there and they end up going to UCF, USF or another SEC school because they can't get in.


It's tough because UF doesn't want to get too big. They now offer a number of non-traditional methods of getting a UF degree, but at the end of the day they can't take everyone.

I will say that as you look around at in-state vs. out-state admissions of other highly ranked public schools, I think one thing to appreciate is that UF has raised its academic profile while staying focused on Florida kids. Over 95% of undergrads are in-state.
This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 12:31 pm
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41196 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:50 pm to
Also just out of curiosity, here are the acceptance rates.

1. Vanderbilt - 11%
2. Florida - 46%
3. Alabama - 53%
4. Georgia - 54%
5. Mississippi State 56%
6. Arkansas - 63%
7. Texas A&M - 67%
8. South Carolina - 68%
9. Missouri - 75%
10. LSU - 76%
11. Tennessee - 77%
12. Ole Miss - 78%
13. Auburn - 81%
14. Kentucky - 91%

I got these from this article which was on the 2017 class.
LINK

Florida has dropped its acceptance rate down to 36% for the incoming 2018 Freshmen class.
LINK
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41196 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

I will say that as you look around at in-state vs. out-state admissions of other highly ranked public schools, I think one thing to appreciate is that UF has raised its academic profile while staying focused on Florida kids. Over 95% of undergrads are in-state.


I was looking for that info, thanks. That is very good, although Florida is such a melting pot now I'm not sure how much difference it makes. I would have thought we would be going after the out of state folks with the disparity in tuition.

In state tuition and fees only: $6,381
Out of state tuition and fees only: $28,659
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 1:28 pm to
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f I recall correctly, North Carolina has a state law that requires 82% of the student body to be from the state - it's what makes out-of-state admissions to UNC on par with the Ivies, Vanderbilt, ND, Rice, Stanford, etc. UVA tries to stay around 70% in-state, and the out-of-state admissions like UNC reflect accordingly.

However, for both of those schools, their total undergrad enrollment is somewhere around 16,000. Michigan is about 30,000 undergrad and 55 - 60% in-state, and Cal is about 30,000 undergrad and about 77% in-state.



That is the State law that I mentioned in a previous post. It would be unreasonable for the State of Alabama to restrict OOS enrollment to 18%, but 30% is a good balance (both AU and UA exceed). The State Lotto would be a driving force behind this law.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Also just out of curiosity, here are the acceptance rates.

1. Vanderbilt - 11%
2. Florida - 46%
3. Alabama - 53%
4. Georgia - 54%
5. Mississippi State 56%
6. Arkansas - 63%
7. Texas A&M - 67%
8. South Carolina - 68%
9. Missouri - 75%
10. LSU - 76%
11. Tennessee - 77%
12. Ole Miss - 78%
13. Auburn - 81%
14. Kentucky - 91%

I got these from this article which was on the 2017 class.
LINK

Florida has dropped its acceptance rate down to 36% for the incoming 2018 Freshmen class.
LINK


Acceptance rates are the most useless stat used for ranking a college. If they want a useful stat then they need to chart the Test Scores of those who were rejected. My guess the list would look totally different, but you never see those numbers.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 6:14 pm to
Unless I'm missing something, UGA looks to be at 87:13 In-State to OOS ratio in the 2017 freshman class... LINK

That seems higher than I expected. I know HOPE/Zell drives a lot of in-state attendance, but expected to see them going after the OOS tuition dollars harder...
Posted by GlossuRabban
West Cobb
Member since Apr 2018
2570 posts
Posted on 8/8/18 at 6:49 pm to
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56% out of state


That shite is crazy. I think it's good to mix in a fair amount of OOS students, but not at the sake of outnumbering in state at the flagship university.

On the other hand, I feel like Auburn is much more homogeneous no than it was when I was there 20+ years ago and I don't really like that either.
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