AbuTheMonkey

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The news here is that the announcement of DP Tour reinstating fines for LIV golfers might have been premature. It sounds like that may not happen.

Also - that has been talked about as a long term plan for these LIV teams for a while now. Not surprised Bryson would be the first to do it

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It's a copy of the European soccer development model. Develop then sell players. Problem is that players are independent agents in the vast majority of the golf world, not assets to a franchise.

They would also be competing against the USGA National Development Program and all the major state association development programs, both of which are going to have a far stronger attraction than a theoretical LIV program will.

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Umm...

Tenn Nat titles- 6
Texas Natties- 4

Hrm..so you want to replace the program with 6 Natties with the one with 4...hrmmm

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I admittedly did not realize that Tennessee only had 2 consensus national titles and 2 in the poll era. I thought they had a more substantial national title history than that until this thread made me look it up.

Looking at their other claimed ones, 1938 seems legitimate. They didn't play a difficult schedule but only allowed 16 points all year and beat #4 Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. TCU generally gets the nod that year, but UT's resume that year stacks up pretty well against theirs all things considered.

1940 is real bunk. They only played one team that finished ranked (Boston College in the Sugar Bowl) and lost to them. They never cracked the top five in the AP rankings. They shouldn't count that.

1950 seems like a decent claim. They played well against a tough schedule (10 - 1 including wins against 3 teams in the final top 20 and 2 in the top ten) and the primary claimant Oklahoma's resume stacks up about like Tennessee's.

1951 is an absolute chaos year. There are like five teams that have a somewhat legitimate claim on this year. Maryland probably has the best claim (undefeated and beat Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl by 2 TD's). That is probably a half title at very best.

1967 is a terrible claim. The SEC wasn't very good that year, and while UT went undefeated and beat the only other ranked team in the conference in Alabama, they lost both games to out of conference teams that were any good (UCLA and Oklahoma). USC's (the primary claimant for that year) resume is much, much better than Tennessee's (also beat the only common opponent they had in UCLA, whom UT lost to). That claim is Alabama 1941-worthy.

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Notre Dame would absolutely compete for the top spot in the SEC Until y’all win a championship the SEC and Big10 guys will continue to roll their eyes at yall though I give zero shits about y’all’s run a couple of years ago. Win everything and this entire board will go radio silent

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I actually don’t disagree with that. Given ND’s performance since the early 2000’s, it’s still at least a bit warranted.

But I don’t think clowns like Madking - and the legions of “SEC!” Parrots behind people like that - fully appreciate the structural change in the sport over the last 4 - 5 years. It shifted quickly and decisively away from the SEC programs and $200K handshakes to programs with genuine frick you money - Miami, Notre Dame, USC, Oregon, Michigan (if they can unfrick themselves), Ohio State, Texas, A&M, and Georgia. Florida would be on it if they decided to be, which they have not done so far. Potentially Penn State. That’s pretty much the list right now - those are the Yankees and Dodgers of the sport at this point.

Notre Dame has done it as well as anyone so far (hence why ESPN had us as the #1 best positioned program in the country moving forward like 3 weeks ago), and last year’s playoff snub to that shite arse Alabama team apparently fueled the fire even more with certain people with the resources and influence to matter.

Edit: One other thing - look at the two national title participants last year. ND gave one of them the last loss they’ve had (and kind of beat the frick out of them at that, obvious caveat that it wasn’t Mendoza playing QB), and took the other to a tied game on the road with 45 seconds left in the first game of the year with a brand new QB and DC. Alabama and Oklahoma had no shot to win the title last year. ND did, especially with the way we were playing at the end of the year, and that’s what pissed off so many of the money people.

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This isnt some crazy thing to say that some of yall think it is. Notre dame is power rated by alot of smart minds above all sec teams.

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We’d be the outright favorite or 1B to UGA as it stands today. These idiots are still acting like it’s 2018, and ND is still rolling out Brian Kelly era Notre Dame teams.

It’s 2026, and $50M goes a long way to build a national title contender. We’re #1, #2, or #3 by any objective standard of roster talent and depth across the country to go along with a very good - or elite, depending on your perspective - coaching staff. There are 5 - 6 potential first rounders on the defense, just for starters. Next year Notre Dame will be able start a 5 star at every single position across both the offensive and defensive lines if they so choose - not sure there has been a team in college football this century sans Alabama circa 2015 or UGA 2021 or so who could say the same.

It’s going to be a long couple of years for the folks who think it’s still the pre-NIL era for Notre Dame.

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So you think she would be All Sec and average around 70 for a season scoring average?

Because that’s what top 15-25 looks like in the sec


I don't know what she could do for a season, none of us do. The guy said the SEC championship right? I think for one tournament there's a chance Nelly could be mid pack.

There were 86 players in the Men's SEC championship and mid pack, T41 shot even. It played 7K yards. I think it's not crazy to say that the best woman's golfer in the world could shoot even over three days on a 7K course.

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It's hard to conceptualize a bit but the very, very best women's player in the world is just at a completely different level of consistency, shot-shaping, touch, etc. than virtually all male college players, freaks like Koivun excepted (who, by the way, was the #1 ranked Datagolf amateur in the history of their rankings, better than Rahm, better than Spieth, better than Scottie, better than all of them). This isn't basketball or soccer or tennis where physicality, speed, quickness, strength, etc. are 90+% of the equation.

Nelly is also a bit of a special case, as she has the reservoir to muscle it out there within reasonable distance of a lot of these guys; she has an extra gear that is throttled down in LPGA set ups because that's what those courses demand. It's no accident that she separates the longer and harder courses get.

Also, she plays at Concession and in Jupiter with male Tour guys all the time and is regularly playing at 7,000+.

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What do we think Nelly Korda would shoot over three days at Sawgrass at 7200 yards?

Because all 6 LSU golfers were better than +1 over three rounds….

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Going to need some citation for this.

If it's the Sea Best, they haven't played it at Sawgrass in a few years, and there wasn't single team that was better than +2, and they alternated between Dye's Valley and TPC, and they also don't fully tip it out, either.

And for that matter, Sawgrass is another course where she would do well relative to the men.

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and she would not be.


So question to those that watch the LPGA… is it like the WNBA in that the best in the world still struggle with basic skills? Like some of them still struggle to make layups and their jumpers might be broken

I don’t want to just automatically compare her consistent to a male player’s consistent

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No, not at all. Far different than the WNBA. Their consistency is incredible - golf, especially women's golf, is a truly global game, so it draws from an entirely different kind of player pool than women's basketball.

For context, I played high level junior golf, recruited to play D1, played on a high school team with a bunch of guys who played for Power 4 schools (including multiple who played at SEC schools, multiple more who played at ACC schools), played with and against a multiple time major winner, have since played with a bunch of former D1 players and a handful of former pros...

Nelly is long enough that she wouldn't be totally overwhelmed at 7,000 - 7,100 yards. She can comfortably cruise in the 107 - 110 MPH range when she wants to (for point of reference, most of the top SEC guys are probably in the 118 - 125 MPH range). She is the best woman on the planet and far, far more consistent and more accurate than almost any collegiate player with the exception of freaks like Koivun. Even at the top collegiate programs, a lot of those kids are still pretty bomb and gougey and are still learning how to play the sport, shape shots, think through the problem in front of them, refine their touch, etc.

It would also be course dependent - as I said above, she would be genuinely competitive at a place like Sea Island or Birmingham West (where they used to play the SEC match play). She would struggle at a place like Karsten or some other 7,400+ yard behemoth that is wide open.

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I think Miami takes a pretty big step back.
with mensah I argue they take a step forward and win the natty this year

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Eh, maybe. They've got some dudes on offense in Mensah, Fletcher, and especially Toney, but they have to completely rebuild both lines. Plenty of talent there, but that's not a given by any stretch.

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2 former 5 star WR's from Ohio State who were stuck behind Smith and Tate


“Stuck” is generous. No idea what Porter will be but he was banged up most of the year.

Graham was losing snaps to a white walk in the later part of the season. If it didn’t click for him under Brian Hartline’s coaching, I’d be shocked if he becomes anything of note at ND.

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Sure - they might not amount to much, and Graham in particular is going to be competing against Greathouse (who is finally healthy again) and Faison for time and targets. We need a real boundary more than anything; maybe Porter is that guy, maybe not. They've also got Devin Fitzgerald (Larry's kid) and Jerome Bettis Jr. coming in competing for time and targets as well. A lot of unproven talent - we need 1 or 2 to make that leap.

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I felt that way last year. It's difficult for me to accept with Love and Price gone, but I will take your word for it.

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Putting aside the schedule, which is terrible due to factors both within our control and outside our control...

That's kind of it - we didn't lose much of anything at all except for Love, Price, and Malachi Fields (3rd rounder to the Giants whom they are very high on). We returned effectively every other meaningful contributor on both sides of the ball - we are #1 in the country in returning production. Add in the #2 recruiting class and a small, but highly-touted portal class (2 former 5 star WR's from Ohio State who were stuck behind Smith and Tate, a DT from Oregon, a DT from Pitt, and a CB from Colorado who played opposite Hunter out there). Obviously take it with a grain of salt, but Steele has us with the #1 OL, the #5 DL, the #1 LB corps, and the #1 secondary to go along with Carr at QB.

As stated above, we are second in the country heading into this season in terms of blue chip ratio (behind only UGA) - I don't believe we've ever been in the top 5 since recruiting rankings became a thing in the early 2000's. Love cannot be simply be replaced, but there is plenty of talent at RB to step up; if there is a place where we need 1 or 2 guys to go out and prove themselves, it is at receiver.

Obviously, we need to stay healthy, but there is genuine depth at every level on both sides of the ball. They need to come out of the gate hot this year and keep the foot down on the pedal all the way through - if there is one criticism I have had of Freeman, it is that his teams have started slow (wasn't just last year, either - the NIU loss in 2024, the Marshall loss in 2022). That shouldn't be a problem this year with the playoff thing from last year and the amount of returning production, but these are still 18 - 23 year olds playing a high variance sport.

Given the way recruiting and talent acquisition has gone the last few years, what we're supposedly paying Freeman and the staff now, a new $100M football operations center that opened last Monday, and now this...

Safe to say we are all in. Especially after the playoff debacle last year.