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re: It’s so much easier to get into Texas aTm than Texas, reminds me of Tennessee v Vandy
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:28 am to Krampus
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:28 am to Krampus
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The reality of the top 10% law is that lot and lots of kids graduate from crappy schools in the top 10% of their class, but are basically remedial students with Jr. High reading levels, and struggling to do basic algebra.
But by law A&M HAS to admit them. And UT too if they end up top 6%.
The reality is those kids would be much better off at Tech, UNT, UH, SHSU, etc.
Where the coursework is less rigorous, less competitive, and there are more remedial services available to help get them up to college level coursework that they have never seen before. Instead they matriculate in Austin or College Station, and fail out before the end of their freshman year.
You sir, are an ignorant arse. Ignorant, as in born without intelligence and failing to acquire it.
You are of the belief that going to a better school in the suburbs means your are more intelligent.
All it means is that you went to a better school. Probably never had to work. There are many intelligent, deserving kids that don’t have that same opportunity.
I was a mid 70’s HS graduate, from a smaller rural school, that did not have calculus in high school. I was “recruited” by Ivy League engineering programs, accepted a scholarship from and graduated from UT, all without ever needing remedial anything.
Likewise, inferring that the 10% rule means your school is full of top 10% graduates is way wrong. It means that kids in the top 10% have a place, if they want it. There are a lot of kids at A&M that are not Top 10%. There are also kids at A&M that could have gone to Stanford or Harvard but never seriously considered it, cause mom or dad were aggies.
The top 10% rule started in 1997, when UT’s enrollment was ~ 47,000 (UT was limiting enrollment in 1974) and ATM ~ 41,000. The UT adjustment from 10% to 6% was because too many top 10% students at UT did not allow enough discretionary places for out of state and other qualified students. The size of the campus had nothing to do with it.
High School AP classes are heavily weighted to STEM students, to the detriment of non-STEM students. Texas offers many Liberal Arts and other programs that ATM does not, including Journalism, and needed a mechanism to get them enrolled. That doesn’t mean they need remedial classes, just that they choose to be something other than math-science majors.
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:37 am to MurphyGator
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We live in Texas and my oldest is going to apply to Texas A&M next year (currently a junior in HS). As well as some other schools in Texas and Florida. Texas A&M is actually not a diploma mill. A kid has to be in the top 10% of their graduating class, take required courses (honors/AP level classes) to gain admission to A&M. A&M, UT, and Rice are where all of the smart kids in Texas go to school. Similar to UF in Florida, UGA/Georgia Tech in GA, etc.
We eliminated Texas from our child’s options due to it being right in downtown area of Austin. Too many homeless people in that area milling about near campus. Austin has really tuned into a shithole. They need new city government.
Moving would be a smart thing to do if I were you.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:44 am to TrueLefty
It’s slightly more difficult to get into Texas, of that there is no doubt. A&M must accept a larger pool of auto admits, and Texas definitely has a smaller number of discretionary slots it can be more selective with.
The idea that this creates two extreme environments where one is elite and the other is a safety school is laughable. A&M has very large numbers of both current students and alums who would have been admitted to Texas. Also, both A&M and Texas have large numbers of graduates who actually couldn’t get in to either one out of high school as well.
The idea that this creates two extreme environments where one is elite and the other is a safety school is laughable. A&M has very large numbers of both current students and alums who would have been admitted to Texas. Also, both A&M and Texas have large numbers of graduates who actually couldn’t get in to either one out of high school as well.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:53 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:26 am to Windy City
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This is not true. Georgia is a diverse state thanks to its large, educated, wealthy African American community. It finishes behind Texas in almost every diversity scale, however, as non-hispanic whites are a minority in Texas now.
You can see it in any diversity index from the Census Bureau to all the third party analytical groups.
Non-Hispanic whites and Hispanic whites are still white folks....that'd be akin to not claiming folks of Irish descent as white folks. The only category the recent census indicates Georgia is "behind" Texas is in those people of Asian descent where Texas is 5.5% and Georgia is 4.6%. Texas is 77.9% white....including ALL white folks, not just those of European descent. Georgia is 59.4% white counting those same folks. Texas is 13% black, Georgia is 33% black. Separating white Hispanics out of "white" would be akin to breaking out black folks from Africa from black folks from the Caribbean or those born in the US. Many black folks are also Hispanic....
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:47 am to Krampus
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Top 10% hasn't done anything but put the ambitious kids from failing schools even further behind by saddling them with a year of failing grades on their transcripts to overcome in addition to their overall academic underpreparedness.
I am certain that this is so for the majority of students but there are undoubtedly exceptions to the rule. Some of those kids from underperforming schools who would never sniff UT or ATM without the Top 10% law do now and some of them do well. Many of the kids from highly rated schools go to UT and ATM and fail to last through Thanksgiving. Their presence in both universities make the education received by all students broader and deeper than it would be without them. For all of the deriding attitude towards diversity in some circles a diverse organization is ALWAYS stronger than one which is not as diverse. If all you had at UT or ATM were affluent kids from high performing schools you would produce a bunch of cookie cutter adults who were ill prepared for the world, many of whom would be shell shocked when faced with people slightly different than themselves who could out smart, out work or out perform them....being affluent and having the advantage of attending a high performing school is no guarantee that a kid is capable of thinking critically and being successful anymore than the opposite means a kid is doomed to fail because the school they are in is failing. The parents have way more influence on kids than the school they attend or the teachers they are exposed to.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:56 am to Hugh McElroy
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Average A&M student with an SAT between 1160-1390, and the average tu student with an SAT between 1230-1480.
Georgia is higher than both
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:08 am to AwgustaDawg
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eir presence in both universities make the education received by all students broader and deeper than it would be without them. For all of the deriding attitude towards diversity in some circles a diverse organization is ALWAYS stronger than one which is not as diverse. If all you had at UT or ATM were affluent kids from high performing schools you would produce a bunch of cookie cutter adults who were ill prepared for the world, many of whom would be shell shocked when faced with people slightly different than themselves who could out smart, out work or out perform them
There are huge numbers of people in this world who believe without thinking that a white person, a black person, an asian person, a hispanic person all living on the same street who all come from the suburban style subdivisions and attended private school and then Yale or Harvard is "diverse" while a group of 5 white people including the one from above, but with others one from a major city, another from a rural farm, or another even from a trailer park is not diverse.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:15 am to AwgustaDawg
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Non-Hispanic whites and Hispanic whites are still white folks....that'd be akin to not claiming folks of Irish descent as white folks.
Yeah . . .lets go talk to the various Hispanic folks around Texas about how they are descended from the Pilgrims.
You are being pedantic. But even if you tried to have a point, it is a small one as evidenced by the Census and other groups that weigh diversity on a State level even with these results and conclude that Texas is a slightly more diverse state.
US Census Diversity Index
WalletHub Diversity By State
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:20 am to JJxvi
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Also, both A&M and Texas have large numbers of graduates who actually couldn’t get in to either one out of high school as well.
This is very true, and has a lot of implications for down the road.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:34 am to MurphyGator
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We eliminated Texas from our child’s options
Shouldn't it be their decision?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:46 am to charliethehun
Ok sippy
Thanks for letting us all know that you’re just another Mack Daddy type
Thanks for letting us all know that you’re just another Mack Daddy type
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:46 am to charliethehun
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Apply to Texas aTm w a pulse and you get in , per tons of friends w kids applying past 10 years
Texas A&M has a student population of about 75,000. Of those, about 56,000 are undergrads. A&M had over 43,000 applicants. Of those, 28,000 were admitted in some form or another. Only about 18,000 of those will actually enroll.
It's called Google. It can help keep you from looking stupid. It can be hard for some though.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:46 am to charliethehun
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It’s so much easier to get into Texas aTm than Texas, reminds me of Tennessee v Vandy
I'm not sure who annoys me most ... old drunks sitting at the bar - bragging about their high school football exploits thirty years and two wives ago ... or prick nerds bragging about how much higher "their school" admissions standards are than the school down the road.
Nobody gives a shite, other than you. If "your school" academics are that much better - you don't have to tell me. You shouldn't have to. Show me, by your oh so awesome achievements. I'll see it for myself. Unless, you know, you're just full of shite.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:07 am to charliethehun
aggy is basically a community college, Tennessee is Harvard compared to that team from college station.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 10:15 am to charliethehun
I can't believe this triggered them to the tune of a 6-page and counting thread 
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I find it interesting that Aggies have to write essays about how they're equal to Texas while Texas fans don't take it seriously and laugh at them.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:18 pm to TheDeathValley
quote:Bryce Foster, Texas A&M OL, has aspirations of being an Olympic Shot Putter.
We eliminated Texas from our child’s options
Shouldn't it be their decision?
He wanted to go to Texas, home to both the 2022 NCAA Champion and the Two-time Olympic Gold Medalist and World Record Holder.
His mother was an aggy and would not let him go to Texas. He finished 12th at the SEC T&F Championships.
At least mom's happy.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:12 pm to TheDeathValley
We is plural. We= our kid and both parents.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:18 pm to MurphyGator
quote:Did you even visit?
We eliminated Texas from our child’s options due to it being right in downtown area of Austin.
Campus is not in downtown Austin
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:26 pm to XWing atAliciousness
Yes. We've visited several times for camps and also for a prospective student tour and event. Sorry I didn't describe it's location to your satisfaction. I guess I should have said the campus is located right smack in the city across from the homeless dude shitting on the street.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:27 pm to MurphyGator
quote:Weird. I attended the school for 4 years before graduating and never saw such a thing
I guess I should have said the campus is located right smack in the city across from the homeless dude shitting on the street.
Seems like you've been accepting those aggie narratives hook, line & sinker
Enjoy your child's cult, er I mean "education", though 
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