AwgustaDawg

I’m out. It’s too draining to debate the states executing people when the state has proven time and again to be inept with people who are convinced the state is unable to get anything but executing people right. To be that person you have to simply have an insatiable blood lust. That is an issue that would take years and years of treatment by an army if professionals to cure. Y’all enjoy the state executing people in our names. The data is abundant and readily available that they can’t be trusted to do so but your bloodlust is more important. Bless your hearts.

If you’re looking for a capital conviction less than 20 years old that has been vacated due to DNA evidence it’s going to be rare because it takes 20-30 years to get the justice system to admit they’ve made a mistake. If you’re looking for a case where exculpatory evidence was withheld by the prosecution and the defense was too dumb to ask for it OR the prosecution simply decided to break the law they are too numerous to list. This one took
me about 90 seconds…George Rhodes.


For a capital conviction go with Alvarez in Texas.

That one took about 20 seconds to find.

It’s almost impossible to prove prosecutorial misconduct because the state ensures it’s almost impossible to prove they’re made a mistake. There is NO penalty for it when it is proven, 20-30 years after the fact it 1 day, because the prosecutors and the state both have immunity for violating the law and even civil rights unless the damaged party has a pile of cash and time. It happens everyday in the US. If it happens once every 100 years it is too often.

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I hear you, but NO ONE is arguing this woman's guilt. She did it. She bragged to people that she did it. She kept a piece of the victim's skull as a souvenir. The state got this one correct. Proceed with the penalty.

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So intentionally do not read or try to know anything about why the state is executing someone because the story is ALWAYS the same and it’s an indictment of us as a nation and a society that I know full well we are proud of because we do nothing to change it.


This woman was 18 at the time she killed this woman. She had been raped and sodomized from the day she was born and the state was well aware and did NOTHING to prevent it or make her life bearable. Nothing. Failed at every opportunity and they were ample. As they always are. When she committed this heinous act the state saw a way to remove her and their culpability….and ours as a society… from the collective conscious. And that’s what it’s ALWAYS about. No she should not be executed but the fricking DA who decided not to prosecute the men who were orally raping her at 6 months of age? Yes, they should be….or they should at least be in prison with her. Instead their brethren see fit to cover up their professions sins….under the guise of justice. I know most of you deplore the idea of the EPA telling companies that they can’t cause rivers to catch on fire but I never cease to be appalled at the thought of you being fine with the states collusion with child abusers and child molestors and punishing the child when the chile inevitably commits some heinous crime. Y’all are sick and you’re enabling a sick and twisted society.

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the only way a person can be wrongly convicted beyond a reasonable doubt would be some type of intentional malfeasance on the part of law enforcement which would have to include other departments such as the prosecutors office, judge, and third party auditors.

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It happens all the time my friend. They have exculpatory evidence of the sort you list and simply do not acknowledge it. Happens all the time.

The state has claimed to have gotten it right 209 times out of 8000 when the state was simply wrong and was demonstrably wrong. No one is arguing whether she is guilty or not mainly because the state has convicted her just like they did 209 times out of 8000. I know nothing about this case at all, if she committed the crime she was convicted of in the courtroom in front of everyone involved in her conviction, from the judge to the janitor, I do not trust them to get it correct, sorry, it’s far too important a decision for the same people who manage the DMV to make. The impact to society in them getting it wrong, and they do far too often, is far greater than what this animal did. What this animal did impacts the victim, the family and the community. The state executing the wrong person impacts the same people directly and makes it all to obvious to all but the anti social types among us that the state simply can’t be trusted. If she is as guilty as you say, and I am not doubting it, life in prison is plenty of punishment to prevent the state from possibly executing the wrong person OR executing the right person but cutting corners to do so. There is no crime heinous enough to justify the states actions in MOST convictions….the things that prosecutors and judges do, not to mention the police, are infinitely more heinous because they commit their atrocities in our name and with the support of the state. Clean that up and I for one would reconsider. Continue to allow those abuses and atrocities and I will never support the state executing anyone.

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But you're pro-abortion, right?

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This is one of those people who get hard as Chinese algebra when fantasizing about executions. They equate a medical procedure that is a decision made by an individual and their medical professionals with the state executing people when there is no doubt that the state has executed the wrong person. Most likely also claims to be a Christian and believe in a god of some sort. And there are MILLIONS of them….

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i agree with the argument you are making, but you are not goign to win many people to your side by saying that everyone who is pro death penalty is so because they are in some sort of dirty quasi voyeuristic way excited about imagining the government killing someone. that just makes you a dickhead. and also wrong.

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The only answer that is plausible, given the amount of data available, for anyone to support the state murdering people, is that the idea of the state doing something they can’t is titillating. It’s no longer possible that they can claim not to know how often the state wrongfully convicts….they enjoy the idea of other people suffering. We have been Molly coddling and babying them for about 20 years or so and they still love the idea of executing people. Shaming them so t change their minds but it will drive them back into the dark recesses and out of site of decent folks and we can put an end to the barbaric practice of executions for the enjoyment of a small number of sick bastards among us. It is the ONLY reason executions have ever taken place…. So a small number of truly sick frickers can have a moment

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It works 100% of the time for the person that committed the crime.

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What is the % of the time it works when the state murders the wrong person 2.5% of the time? I know, I know - people have always loved a good hanging or beheading. It’s is incredibly exciting to imagine the state doing what you are forbidden to do and that is kill someone but for sane people knowing that 2.5% of those convicted of capital crimes since the early 70a, as it turns out, not guilty. Go figure. Having the same people who manage the DMV, the state, executing people, is barbaric.

But Pawl they ain’t played nobody…..

Pay the cost of admission?

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I laughed my arse off watching the piss and miss

But the UT I was like thats wrong

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getting old.....