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re: Greatest College Coach of all Time: Bear Bryant or Nick Saban
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:57 pm to Toroballistic
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:57 pm to Toroballistic
Down voting is a way to say your post doesn't coincide with what I would like the truth to be but I have no facts to rebut you. If you THINK you have facts to rebut put them out there in the form of a post. They don't because what I posted are absolute facts. Including the Dodd/Tech thing. Dodd wanted to sign a ton of players as an Indy. And did. The SEC labored under grant limitations compared to Big 8 and Big 10 for years and years and many of those years were Bryant years at Bama.
Worse, they (Big 8 and 10) had special academic exceptions for minorities in the south. Whereas the SEC and SWC couldn't sign black players. Even worse Nebraska had Special Education waivers for borderline learning disabled kids which they used to sign every 6'6 white lineman in America and some black kids from places like New Jersey. When those went away, the dominant NU teams did too. That's why, short of a miracle they will NEVER be back and I hate that since my SIL is an NU ex player and lives and dies for them and never gives up hope.
Worse, they (Big 8 and 10) had special academic exceptions for minorities in the south. Whereas the SEC and SWC couldn't sign black players. Even worse Nebraska had Special Education waivers for borderline learning disabled kids which they used to sign every 6'6 white lineman in America and some black kids from places like New Jersey. When those went away, the dominant NU teams did too. That's why, short of a miracle they will NEVER be back and I hate that since my SIL is an NU ex player and lives and dies for them and never gives up hope.
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Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:59 pm to coachcrisp
Gotcha there. I would definitely agree that in 1966 there was a definite bias against Bama and Southern teams in general. It was finally slowly starting to change but that year for sure Bama was #1 or should have been.
It carried on for a number of years but thankfully it is not an issue anymore. In fact now there is a bias for Bama and I don’t mean that in a bad negative way as they have earned it.
ND was legit good through those years and in the same way had earned some of the bias they received.
Not saying either is right but it is a reality that it happens.
It carried on for a number of years but thankfully it is not an issue anymore. In fact now there is a bias for Bama and I don’t mean that in a bad negative way as they have earned it.
ND was legit good through those years and in the same way had earned some of the bias they received.
Not saying either is right but it is a reality that it happens.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 7:00 pm to GoDeepCoach
Saban
Posted on 3/30/20 at 7:04 pm to GoDeepCoach
I started at Alabama in 1966, then Vietnam, so I was following Alabama from the time Byrant arrived in 1958 until now. I think Saban is the better coach. Alabama was small and fast in the 60s and big and dominating in the 70s. We never dominated anyone like Saban's teams did from 2008-2015, and we never had an offense like we had from 2015-2020. p.s. I just watched the 2008 LSU Alabama and the SEC had much better Referees then.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:27 pm to GoDeepCoach
I would say neither. Find a coach who won , but did it with less talent .Bear recruited playersto keep others from getting them and Saban has better talent than 95 % of the programs in the country. Best recruiters yes best coach I am not so sure . What is Sabans record against teams when he didnt have a significant talent advantage.?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:28 pm to GoDeepCoach
Saban and it is no contest. Won titles at 2 different schools. Rebuilt 2 different traditional powers. Plus to top it off what he has done in today’s landscape at Alabama is incredible. Bear can’t carry Sabans jock.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:29 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:one actually.
2 different traditional powers
Posted on 3/30/20 at 8:29 pm to craigbiggio
Bryant played the likes of Nebraska, Penn State, So Cal, Wash, Mizz, etc on regular basis. He coached against Cholly Mac, Vought, Dooley, Paterno, McKay, Robinson, etc.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 9:46 pm to schmoo
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We never dominated anyone like Saban's teams did from 2008-2015, and we never had an offense like we had from 2015-2020. p.s. I just watched the 2008 LSU Alabama and the SEC had much better Referees then.
Bryant's teams were known for their "DOMINATION" of the gridiron. Teams routinely found it impossible to score on his best teams. Bama used to blow everybody away by the 2nd qtr when they would run the wishbone offense to perfection. Eventually,the Bear's hard living caught up to him. Thus ending a long and colorful run at BAMA! He literally, is considered the Greatest of his time and maybe all-time!
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Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:01 pm to GoDeepCoach
Eddie Robinson.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 6:56 am to nightdog
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Best recruiters yes best coach I am not so sure .
Recruiting is the single most important part of the job.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 7:30 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Rebuilt 2 different traditional powers.
He rebuilt one traditional power. Not two.
Bryant won at Kentucky and came oh so close to winning a national title there in 1950. That year the Wildcats went 11-1, won the SEC, and defeated #1 Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. Had the national championship been awarded after the post-season instead of prior to in those days, Kentucky likely wins the title.
To this day Bryant remains Kentucky's winningest football coach.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 7:58 am to GoDeepCoach
Saban. The scholarship limits make the game entirely different.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 8:09 am to GoDeepCoach
Probably Saban. Recruiting is so competitive and unpredictable now, and is likely much more challenging than it was in Bear’s time. I would say the on field competition is more challenging as well, because most schools have at least a few really talented guys on their roster. Saban has been a master even though it has become harder to do.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 8:35 am to GoDeepCoach
Comparing coaches or teams from different eras is more a matter of raw opinion than anything. Saban has done a masterful job but would he have been successful in the 60s and 70s? That is hard to say because he wasn't coaching back then. The Bear's style of coaching might be a complete disaster today.
When the Bear was rolling at Alabama it was a different environment as far as how the SEC (and SWC for that matter) were perceived as a conference. Bryant loaded up Bama's schedule with non-SEC powers because he knew that the news services would use just about any excuse they could find to award the title to someone not from the South. If Bama goes out and roflstomps Southern Cal for example if forced the sportswriters to acknowledge how good the Tide was.
A lot of how the SEC is perceived today is due to run of domination Alabama had in the 70s where they virtually forced people to admit that Southern schools were great at football.
TLDR version, both were great in their time periods.
When the Bear was rolling at Alabama it was a different environment as far as how the SEC (and SWC for that matter) were perceived as a conference. Bryant loaded up Bama's schedule with non-SEC powers because he knew that the news services would use just about any excuse they could find to award the title to someone not from the South. If Bama goes out and roflstomps Southern Cal for example if forced the sportswriters to acknowledge how good the Tide was.
A lot of how the SEC is perceived today is due to run of domination Alabama had in the 70s where they virtually forced people to admit that Southern schools were great at football.
TLDR version, both were great in their time periods.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 8:54 am to GoDeepCoach
It’s Saban and I don’t think it’s really debatable. Bear did it in a time when he could give his football players swimming scholarships. He played chess while the rest of the country played checkers. Saban actually plays by the same rules as his peers and won the big game at two different schools.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 11:01 am to Dixie Normus
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Bear did it in a time when he could give his football players swimming scholarships. He played chess while the rest of the country played checkers.
Why do people act like Bear Bryant and Alabama were the only people who could do this? Everyone was playing by the same rules back then just as they are today.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:43 pm to GoDeepCoach
The Bear even won at Kentucky. Now that is a great coach.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:51 pm to GoDeepCoach
Saban. He was about :01 away from another title against Clemson, and :01 away from playing for another with the kick six.
I think he has another one in him.
I think he has another one in him.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:32 pm to GoDeepCoach
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Cheatingest College Coach of all Time: Bear Bryant or Nick Saban
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