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re: Current Ranking of SEC Men's Basketball Coaches
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:30 pm to dchog
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:30 pm to dchog
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LSU is a good team and had a chance against Michigan but they weren't good enough to make a final four run.
LSU was capable of beating Michigan which I think everyone saw. They didn't, so it is what it is. After Michigan, they would have played Florida State, then the winner of the UCLA/Alabama game. If the SECCG is any indication, they are certainly capable of beating Alabama, and I'll assume the same can be said of their capability of beating 11 seed UCLA. The problem with LSU is their depth. They can't have an off night and beat good teams. And they have to play their A+ game to beat elite teams. But they do have the front line talent to beat anyone on a given night.
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Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:30 pm to lsufball19
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Being an elite recruiter, especially with the elite bball players generally staying only 1-2 years, might be more important in basketball than any other sport. I don't think any LSU fan has ever argued Will Wade is a strong in-game coach.
There are obviously alot of people that hate Wade for the reasons we know but in general it has been natural for outside fans to hate the coach that can recruit really well but can't seem to match with his coaching. You see it with Cal all the time as well.
I actually think Wade is a good coach outside of recruiting, although I think he really mishandled his team this year.
The SEC coaching has really continued to take a step up.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Honestly, it's hard to do these because there is historically, currently, and the future
HISTORICAL
1. Calipari
2. Howland
3. Pearl
4. Barnes
5. Crean
6. F. Martin
7. Buzz
8. Wade
9. Oats
10. White
11. Muss (no idea how to compare his wide ranging resume)
12. Kermit
13. Cuonzo
14. Stackhouse
CURRENTLY
My previous list
FUTURE
Tier 1: Pearl, Oats, Cal, Muss
Tier 2: Wade, Barnes, Buzz
Tier 3: Kermit, M. White,
Fired/Leave Soon: Crean, Frank, Cuonzo, Howland, Stack
But obviously that's all just a guess based on system, generally recruiting, etc.
HISTORICAL
1. Calipari
2. Howland
3. Pearl
4. Barnes
5. Crean
6. F. Martin
7. Buzz
8. Wade
9. Oats
10. White
11. Muss (no idea how to compare his wide ranging resume)
12. Kermit
13. Cuonzo
14. Stackhouse
CURRENTLY
My previous list
FUTURE
Tier 1: Pearl, Oats, Cal, Muss
Tier 2: Wade, Barnes, Buzz
Tier 3: Kermit, M. White,
Fired/Leave Soon: Crean, Frank, Cuonzo, Howland, Stack
But obviously that's all just a guess based on system, generally recruiting, etc.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:31 pm to lsupride87
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Why arent you grasping getting players is part of the coaches job
You would think as a UGA fan he would have some grasp on that considering that it is the only thing Kirby Smart is good at.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:32 pm to lsupride87
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Why arent you grasping getting players is part of the coaches job
Of course I get that. But Oats and Muss are only in their 2nd year. Their recent success will no doubt boost recruiting, which gives them an opportunity to become contenders on a regular basis. Right now LSU has superior talent to Bama and Arkansas. That will change soon, and when it does, there will be no doubt who the better coaches are.
Also, it’s ironic you say “Recruiting is part of the job” yet that isn’t considered a valid response when people call Kirby a bad coach.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:32 pm to Porcine Human
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I'd put Cuonzo over Kermit
Kermit OWNS Clownzo. Did you see the two games???
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13. Martin (Missouri)
Really below #14. Can't game coach, develop or recruit.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:32 pm to au4you
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Pearl has done the impossible at Auburn. It is still hard to believe how far he has taken the absolute garbage program he inherited. Not sure if any other coach could pull it off. He’s a blown double dribble call away from probably winning a championship.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:32 pm to LSU Patrick
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This board loves to throw "flash in the pan" around until it is one of their coaches that has a single good season.
Oats has been at Bama for two years and has reached the Sweet 16 50% of the time at Bama. Two early to use ‘flash in the pan’ for him.
It’s not too early to use it for 0.
Glad you brought up this point.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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11. Muss (no idea how to compare his wide ranging resume)
Number 1 for his amazing job in international coaching jmo
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:33 pm to diddlydawg7
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What you aren’t grasping is that Oats and Muss are far better at putting a team together than Wade.
A team with Cam Thomas, Javonte Smart, and Trendon Watford should be a lot better than they were this year.
Arkansas, on the other hand, is a team almost entirely made up of freshmen and transfers. 9 of their top 10 scorers didn’t play for Arkansas last year. Yet Muss turned them into a title contender.
LSU went 2-16 the year before Wade took over and won the SEC in year 2. Do you think that team just came together by accident and fell into a 16-2 SEC record? Like I said in my post, a lot of people have difficulty looking at the entire picture and want to look at who had the best season this year. To say Wade doesn't know how to build a team is pretty hilarious even coming from you. Do you have any idea where he started and the roster he walked into? So you want to talk about this year only, I get it. I can assure you Musselman and Oats will have years where they have depth issues too.
I also find it funny Pearl has somehow fallen to #6 in the SEC. Guy took over possibly the worst program historically in this conference and was in the last final four that took place. But Oats and Musselman have good years so now Pearl has slipped that far down? Makes sense right
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:33 pm to mwlewis
You seemed to use 2 different sets of
criteria to form this list to get the results you wanted. Well played
criteria to form this list to get the results you wanted. Well played
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:33 pm to diddlydawg7
quote:In Wades second year he won the SEC, taking over a team that finished dead last in the SEC before him
But Oats and Muss are only in their 2nd year
You walked into that one
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:34 pm to Sid E Walker
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Oats has been at Bama for two years and has reached the Sweet 16 50% of the time at Bama. Two early to use ‘flash in the pan’ for him.
It’s not too early to use it for 0.
Man, your mental gymnastics are absolutely fricking hilarious. You are the quintessential gump.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:36 pm to LSU Patrick
I think Bruce Pearl is the best coach in the league.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:36 pm to LSU Patrick
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You are the quintessential gump.
Thank you. You’re probably about as quintessential as you can get for a coonass yourself.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:36 pm to mwlewis
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1. Calipari (Kentucky)
2. Oats (Alabama)
3. Musselman (Arkansas)
4. Pearl (Auburn)
5. Barnes (Tennessee)
6. Martin (South Carolina)
7. Howland (Mississippi State)
8. Wade (LSU)
9. Crean (Georgia)
10. Williams (Texas A&M)
11. White (Florida)
12. Davis (Ole Miss)
13. Martin (Missouri)
14. Stackhouse (Vanderbilt)
White has finished 5th the last 2 years and never finished lower than 8th. He is middlin' as frick but he isn't Tom Crean bad.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:37 pm to rockiee
quote:Its awesome. I really hope BAMA/LSU/ARKY can hold onto these guys. I think Arky has enough mystique to keep Muss, I think LSU has kinda backed into being able to keep Wade because of his frickup, but I wonder with Bama and Oats
The SEC coaching has really continued to take a step up.
Would be fun for the SEC west to have 3 perennial tournament teams
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:37 pm to lsufball19
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I also find it funny Pearl has somehow fallen to #6 in the SEC. Guy took over possibly the worst program historically in this conference and was in the last final four that took place. But Oats and Musselman have good years so now Pearl has slipped that far down? Makes sense right
Pearl is a stone cold lock on #2 and quite frankly I think an argument can be made that he is #1. What he has done at Auburn by itself would make him #2, but people forget what he did at Tennessee and what he took over.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:38 pm to mwlewis
Honestly, the best way to do this would be ranking coaches on different aspects of being a college basketball coach
1. Recruiting
2. Roster Management
3. Development
4. In game coaching/adjustments
5. etc
Everyone has different weights the put on the categories that give way different results
1. Recruiting
2. Roster Management
3. Development
4. In game coaching/adjustments
5. etc
Everyone has different weights the put on the categories that give way different results
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:38 pm to lsupride87
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In Wades second year he won the SEC, taking over a team that finished dead last in the SEC before him
Oats won the SEC in his 2nd year with less talent than Wade had. Not to mention the fact that we all know multiple players on LSU’s team were bought.
If Oats or Muss ever goes 19-10 with three 1st team all SEC players, I’ll admit I’m wrong.
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