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re: Current Ranking of SEC Men's Basketball Coaches
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:I will talk to you because you are at least practical
If Oats and Muss win this weekend they've done more than Wade - and if they both/either get to the Final Four there is no debate.
Wade has only ever lost to a 1 seed at lsu while in the tournament. I fully think he could navigate a 14,11,11 to the elite 8, so no I dont think a win against another 11 would put him above wade
But you take it to the final 4, yes he is above wade
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Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:21 pm to boXerrumble
quote:
???
If you remove recency bias (and people simply hating Will Wade), he is.
Nate Oats (2 years)
42-21 overall
24-12 SEC
1 SEC Title
1 NCAAT invite (would not have been invited in 2020)
2-0 record in NCAAT
Eric Musselman (2 years)
44-18 overall
20-15 SEC
0 SEC Titles
1 NCAAT invite (would not have been invited in 2020)
2-0 record in NCAAT
Will Wade (4 years)
82-39 overall
48-24 in SEC
1 SEC Title
2 NCAAT invites (would have been invited in 2020)
3-2* record in NCAAT (yes I'm counting 2019, that was his team)
1 NIT invite (went 1-1)
And if you want to bring in their prior coaching jobs before where they are now, they're all very similar. If you want to look into who took over a worse situation, I'd probably rank from best situation to worst 1) Musselman; 2) Oats; 3) Wade
I think what all of this boils down to is, first, Oats clearly had the best team this year. Second, Musselman has gone further in the NCAAT this year than Wade. And third, and most importantly IMO, everyone in college basketball hates Will Wade because of what has gone on off the court, and that is completely understandable. I'd hate Wade too if I wasn't an LSU fan.
However, if people are able to remove their personal feelings, all three coaches have done fantastic jobs turning around their respective programs. All turned their respective programs around very quickly. Wade and Oats went from bad to winning an SEC title in year 2 (Wade took LSU from last in the SEC to first). Musselman hasn't won an SEC title but he's been impressive nonetheless. I think, given how short a time all three have been where they are, it's splitting hairs to say who is better than the other. However, it also is kind of an objective fact that Wade has accomplished more in 4 years than the other have in 2, and that shouldn't even be a controversial thing to say. Now, if either of them continue on their current runs in the NCAAT, then that could certainly change.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:21 pm to lsupride87
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Mark Gottfried in 11 seasons at Bama never won the SEC. Wade has won a title in only 4 years
The frick he didn’t. He won a SEC regular season title in 2002. He went to the Elite Eight in 2004.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:21 pm to lsupride87
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If going by results at the SEC school, Wade is ahead of Oats and Muss and thats not really debatable
This board loves to throw "flash in the pan" around until it is one of their coaches that has a single good season.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Sooner or later LSU fans will understand that the only thing Wade is good at is making strong arse offers. Anything beyond that and he’s average or below average.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:22 pm to lsupride87
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Wade has only ever lost to a 1 seed at lsu while in the tournament. I fully think he could navigate a 14,11,11 to the elite 8, so no I dont think a win against another 11 would put him above wade
None of that matters. It's how far you advance. We've been told that shite ad nauseum for a decade now.
Sorry, there is no "but wait what about his route to the game". If so, let's dig up Wimp's records and give them a giant arse bump.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:22 pm to lsufball19
quote:Very well said
However, if people are able to remove their personal feelings, all three coaches have done fantastic jobs turning around their respective programs. All turned their respective programs around very quickly. Wade and Oats went from bad to winning an SEC title in year 2 (Wade took LSU from last in the SEC to first). Musselman hasn't won an SEC title but he's been impressive nonetheless. I think, given how short a time all three have been where they are, it's splitting hairs to say who is better than the other. However, it also is kind of an objective fact that Wade has accomplished more in 4 years than the other have in 2, and that shouldn't even be a controversial thing to say. Now, if either of them continue on their current runs in the NCAAT, then that could certainly change.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:23 pm to diddlydawg7
Sure, diddlypawg
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:24 pm to lsupride87
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Wade has only ever lost to a 1 seed at lsu
So he's always been a mediocre level seed at best?
Weird brag.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:24 pm to diddlydawg7
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Sooner or later LSU fans will understand that the only thing Wade is good at is making strong arse offers. Anything beyond that and he’s average or below average.
So kind of like John Calipari? Being an elite recruiter, especially with the elite bball players generally staying only 1-2 years, might be more important in basketball than any other sport. I don't think any LSU fan has ever argued Will Wade is a strong in-game coach.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:25 pm to lsupride87
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Wade has only ever lost to a 1 seed at lsu while in the tournament. I fully think he could navigate a 14,11,11 to the elite 8, so no I dont think a win against another 11 would put him above wade
None of this matters.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:25 pm to skrayper
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So he's always been a mediocre level seed at best?
LSU was a 3 seed two years ago
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:26 pm to mwlewis
White and buzz are below cuonzo
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:26 pm to skrayper
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So he's always been a mediocre level seed at best?
This is incredibly moronic, even for you.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:26 pm to diddlydawg7
I don't put any emphasis on SEC selections because it all opinion. LSU is a good team and had a chance against Michigan but they weren't good enough to make a final four run. They needed a favorable bracket but that is life of a 8/9 seed.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
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lsufball19
What you aren’t grasping is that Oats and Muss are far better at putting a team together than Wade.
A team with Cam Thomas, Javonte Smart, and Trendon Watford should be a lot better than they were this year.
Arkansas, on the other hand, is a team almost entirely made up of freshmen and transfers. 9 of their top 10 scorers didn’t play for Arkansas last year. Yet Muss turned them into a title contender.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:27 pm to boXerrumble
quote:Arent we judging coaches?
None of this matters.
A coach with
SEC title
sweet 16
2nd round exit
Invite*
Is better than
SEC title
Elite 8
I do think a final 4 puts it over the edge no matter what, but an elite 8 doesnt in totality.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:27 pm to dchog
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I don't put any emphasis on SEC selections because it all opinion. LSU is a good team and had a chance against Michigan but they weren't good enough to make a final four run. They needed a favorable bracket but that is life of a 8/9 seed.
Intelligent post
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:27 pm to diddlydawg7
quote:Why arent you grasping getting players is part of the coaches job
What you aren’t grasping is that even though Wade has comparable records and accomplishments, he has superior talent compared to Alabama and Arkansas.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:28 pm to dchog
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They needed a favorable bracket but that is life of a 8/9 seed.
LSU probably should have been a 7 seed, but yeah your point still stands
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