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re: "Brandon Miller has rights. I believe that Alabama has a duty to protect those rights.”

Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:46 pm to
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19715 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:46 pm to
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Look, it wasn't a pretty white girl or a white on black crime so the media doesn't give a frick about it
are you smoking crack? The country burned itself to the ground a couple years ago because a piece of shite criminal gave himself a heart attack ingesting fentanyl and meth and then fighting the police for like half an hour. Your narrative that nobody cares about crimes unless they are against white people hasn't been true, if it ever was, in at least 20 years and these days it's the exact opposite
Posted by Contra
Member since Oct 2016
7524 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:48 pm to
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Except the law enforcement says he’s not an accessory.



Facts don't matter. What they think matters since they have pieced together their evidence against him that the authorities have yet to get their hands on.
Posted by UT Beer Man
Knoxville
Member since Jan 2023
283 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 9:51 pm to
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are you smoking crack? The country burned itself to the ground a couple years ago



Because the cop was white and the individual killed was black, just as the post you are responding to asserts.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
12609 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:07 pm to
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Be honest, how much sleep have you lost from this fiasco?

Jon Ham has been awake for 6 days and counting. I think he's pledged not to rest until Miller and Oates have been charged with several murders, not just the one being discussed in this case. These two are involved in a criminal enterprise that goes deeper than you know.

Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28608 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:27 pm to
I get it’s fun to pretend what I’m saying is just a crackpot theory in one little corner of the internet. But just in case you aren’t pretending and need a reality check.

Wetzel, Forde, Dellenger podcast: Miller knew Miles was in some kind of dispute

Clay Travis alleges Miller responded to Miles’ text to bring the gun

Parents of shooting victim call Brandon Miller's continued play for Alabama 'unimaginable'
Posted by Gozer The Gozerian
Member since Oct 2019
156 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:35 am to
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Brandon Miller fully cooperated with authorities because he has nothing to hide.


OR…he fully cooperated with authorities after getting university facilitated access to top shelf legal counsel. He perhaps needed that because…

1. he knowingly delivered the ‘joint’ to a teammate involved in a confrontation.

2. he sat in his car and listened to the ‘heat’ and ‘head’ conversation going on in his backseat (probably this conversation is on record bc Miller told police)

3. Fled the scene of a murder, perhaps with someone in his vehicle who was eventually charged with the crime.

4. Did not speak to police about what he saw until realizing they wanted to talk to him.


Miller had nothing to hide if those things are false. Or he had much to hide if they are true, thus he had reason to be a cooperating witness.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15537 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 6:38 am to
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Are you retarded?
I think he’s established that rather emphatically
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
7795 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:36 am to
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ecause the cop was white and the individual killed was black, just as the post you are responding to asserts.


It's Bama fans. Not surprising they have trouble reading. He didn't have trouble foaming at the mouth and hur durring though. They are great at that. Got 4 upvotes too. The retards are out in force in this thread.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50796 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:46 am to
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Look, it wasn't a pretty white girl or a white on black crime so the media doesn't give a frick about it. Bama isn't going to chop their own dick off and black on black crime facilitated by a future NBA star isn't a story the media wants to sell.



Everyone involved is awaiting trial. There's no story to tell.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36153 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 7:56 am to
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16168 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:01 am to
He has no legal right to represent the university of Alabama, that is a privilege. But Alabama is going the LSU Will Wade route here. Hopefully it has consequences for the university.
Posted by TrussvilleTide
The Endless Void
Member since Sep 2021
4069 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:02 am to
The people so upset about Miller still playing just can't get over the fact that the legal system has to this point said he is not at all at fault, and until that changes there is 0 reason to remove him from the team or the school. The melts about his from other fanbases have been beyond weird.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:02 am to
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I get it’s fun to pretend


The only one pretending here is you. Pretending to care about the victim. Pretending this is anything other than you just being asshurt over Bama being a better basketball school than Arky now.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28608 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:07 am to
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The people so upset about Miller still playing just can't get over the fact that the legal system has to this point said he is not at all at fault, and until that changes there is 0 reason to remove him from the team or the school.


Prosecution would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Miller knew of others’ intent to use the gun to commit crime. Even if they have evidence he read the text before delivering the gun, that’s a high burden of proof to overcome.

That doesn’t mean the University and the public can’t come to a reasonable conclusion that Miller acted with reckless disregard for the safety of others which contributed to the death of an innocent woman.

But the University isn’t in a position to make that conclusion or make the conclusion that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time until they know whether Miller read the text before delivering the gun. They are either refusing to ask the question for self-serving reasons, or they have the answer and are concealing it. Either way, Byrne and Alabama are effectively covering it up.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 8:09 am
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
12998 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:09 am to
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10688 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:13 am to
Bilas is right. The investigating police department is the one who doesn't have any duty to Miller. They investigated this matter, including issuing subpoenas and gathering witness statements, and concluded that Miller did not commit a crime or that they could never convict him of committing a crime right? Are you suggesting that the UofA should force Miller into waiving his constitutional rights or be forced off the team?
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Member since Dec 2011
46686 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:14 am to
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whether Miller read the text before delivering the gun.


Irrelevant. You know it, I know it.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28608 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:19 am to
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Are you suggesting that the UofA should force Miller into waiving his constitutional rights or be forced off the team?


Alabama can’t complete an evaluation of Miller’s actions until they know whether he read the text before delivering the gun. As of this moment, they would be well justified in going ahead and kicking off just based on the fact that the text message was sent 5 minutes before he delivered the gun. Then the burden would be on Miller to say “But I didn’t read it.”

But I don’t think the University has to kick him off now, but they should at least acknowledge they need an answer to this question in order to complete their evaluation. If Miller tells them he won’t answer, that’s his right. Alabama’s decision to then kick him off would NOT be a violation of his rights.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28608 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:21 am to
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Irrelevant. You know it, I know it.


Now we are getting somewhere. Thank you for actually trying to make a substantive point on this, and I’ll seriously consider your argument on why it’s irrelevant.

Personally, at this point, I think it’s highly relevant. There’s a big difference between thinking you are just picking up your friend and thinking you have been summoned to deliver a gun to a public space where an altercation is happening.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6862 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:22 am to
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Alabama can’t complete an evaluation of Miller’s actions until they know whether he read the text before delivering the gun.


It's truly amazing that you don't think they know the answer to this. Whether they divulge it to the public or to Jon Ham apparently isn't any concern to them.
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