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V Bainbridge
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
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Vanover doesn't provide anything right now but he sure as hell needs to become more aggressive

Yes he does. This game is just him regressing to the mean. His results in this game ARE him being aggressive by shooting the ball way too much. He needs to do what he does well and I think he will in the future.

I think he just pressed too hard this game trying to make up for Smith being out.

As far as Hill goes, yeah he was great defensively but was a complete liability on the offensive end. Vanover is a more balanced player. I was comparing their value to the team not really their specific skills.


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Hawgnsincebirth55
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
There’s a lot of people in this thread who either don’t understand basketball or haven’t payed attention to the type of player vanover is. He’s not a 5 he’s a stretch 4. He isn’t supposed to be the guy who bangs down low because he’s not very good at that
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Beached Tusky
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Member since Oct 2016
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
He wasn’t any good at the 4 either. His balls need to drop soon or they never will... and it will be a shame because he’s been given the stage.

If Moody is our 4 that speaks volumes about the inept size on the bench.

Honestly wouldn’t mind hearing that Muss rips Jackson till he leaves the team. Man the frick up or leave. Find some semi-athletic size on campus that will at least commit to giving 100%.


ArHog
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
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think he has the potential to be a really good player for us. It does boggle my mind that he can't finish at the rim when he's 7'3


I'm assuming you haven't watched many games.

He couldn't start for UALR.



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HogX
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Member since Dec 2012
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
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He wasn’t any good at the 4 either. His balls need to drop soon or they never will... and it will be a shame because he’s been given the stage.


That's what it boils down to. He just had to play angry. He probably left 6-8 points on the board by trying to avoid contact in the paint and missing awkward layups. Just dunk on their ass, man.
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WonderWartHawg
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Member since Dec 2010
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
At 7'3" a.) You can't jump very high and b.) You don't need to anyway.

He is an asset to the team. That said, it wasn't one of his days today.



Drewbie
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Member since Jun 2012
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
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He’s not a 5 he’s a stretch 4.
Bingo. People expecting him to play like a 5 are going to be complaining all season. He's not backing anybody down with that twig body and insanely high center of gravity.
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Beached Tusky
Cal State Fullerton Fan
Member since Oct 2016
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
Nobody should think Vanover is a 5, but against size he’s now getting outplayed by Devo and Moody in the paint.
He’s timid.

Williams and Henderson need his minutes against TN. I don’t think he scored a single FG today, and Tillman completely intimidated him when he ventured into the paint.

Some players push back, and some just shrink away.


Drewbie
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
I've advocated for Williams all year. I really like his game. Would love to see him take a bigger role in Smith's absence.


ArHog
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
Williams has more upside if he lets the game come to him.


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Poker_hog
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
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Nobody should think Vanover is a 5


When we start 4 guards and him he’s got no choice but to be our 5.



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hawgndodge
Chicago Cubs Fan
Member since Jun 2009
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
But you can jump still, right?

Just checking.


Jack Ruby
Memphis Fan
Member since Apr 2014
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
All I know is, that kid needs to be doing fricking leg press twice a day, every day.

I've never seen someone move so slow on a major Division 1 sports team.

He's basically nothing more than a giant 3 point shooter who literally cannot run the floor or play even below average defense. It's horrendous.

I first noticed it against UCA, andthen Dykes pointed it out against Auburn, but the way he moves in quick sand, we're literally playing 4 on 5 for every single transition, which equates to about 1/3 of the game.

The experiment is over. Muss is pissed. I hope he benches the shite out of him. We can go back to small ball for all I care as long as we can run tbe fricking floor correctly.
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gohogs141
Arkansas Fan
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
I just don’t understand how/why he just flings the ball out of bounds so much when he tries to drive to the rim. It’s like it has to bounce up so high to get to him when he dribbles that he just loses control of it. He’s been decent for the occasional putback and block but if he’s not hitting the three then he’s been a bigger liability than asset. I do think he has value against smaller teams and can actually dominate and alter shots against some but there aren’t a whole lot of those in the SEC. Even our team last year I think he would have done well against.


dchog
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Member since Nov 2012
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
He is very timid for his size. He has to be more aggressive or he will be another transfer.


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Arksulli
Arkansas Fan
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
20451 posts

re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
Holy Overreactions Batman!

He had a bad game. That happens.

Sure he has flaws in his game but he's had a pretty good season for us so far. When he was blocking a ton of shots people on here couldn't wait to line up and kiss his elongated behind.

How about we slow our roll a bit and see how he does over the course of a season before we declare him to be the absolute worst player of all time and a boil on the backside of Arkansas basketball?


hawgndodge
Chicago Cubs Fan
Member since Jun 2009
4030 posts

re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
He was doing well in those games against much lesser quality opponents. Exactly my point. He's a waste of an SEC scholarship.


Razorback Reverend
Washington Fan
Member since Dec 2013
15041 posts

re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
it isnt about named opponents, it is about matchups period.

Not everyone will have a beast like Mizzou did. We will be fine folks...


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UnderCoverHog
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
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bald knob


Jason Jennings


hawgndodge
Chicago Cubs Fan
Member since Jun 2009
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re: Vanover is a massive waste of an SEC scholarship
That's the one. Just wasn't SEC calibur. Much like vanover


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