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21-5 or this?
Posted on 5/22/21 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 5/22/21 at 8:38 pm
Basically we are either good in Football while terrible in everything else or we are good at everything else while terrible in foot ball, so which would you choose?
During the 21-5 run by Petrino, the basketball programs were terrible, the women's sports were terrible, the baseball program was middling.
During Franks run, football was great, everything else was terrible.
Exceptions would be 78-79, all men's sports were great.
Now we have a middling football* program and what seems like an elite program in literally everything else on campus; Men's Basketball top 10, baseball and softball top 10, women's basketball top 25, elite women's track, below bar men's track but still a top program, so would you rather have this or a top 10 football team and middling to terrible everything else.
Pittman has his contract started over, do we ride it out and give him time depending on bowl games landed and he doesn't make a complete jackass of himself off the field? How much is a reasonable amount of time for him to win a conference title of some sort? Muss earned a lot of leeway with his elite 8 run, is there a certain bar he needs to meet yearly? Does he need to do more in conference?
*7-9 win football team could still likely be ranked in the top 25.
During the 21-5 run by Petrino, the basketball programs were terrible, the women's sports were terrible, the baseball program was middling.
During Franks run, football was great, everything else was terrible.
Exceptions would be 78-79, all men's sports were great.
Now we have a middling football* program and what seems like an elite program in literally everything else on campus; Men's Basketball top 10, baseball and softball top 10, women's basketball top 25, elite women's track, below bar men's track but still a top program, so would you rather have this or a top 10 football team and middling to terrible everything else.
Pittman has his contract started over, do we ride it out and give him time depending on bowl games landed and he doesn't make a complete jackass of himself off the field? How much is a reasonable amount of time for him to win a conference title of some sort? Muss earned a lot of leeway with his elite 8 run, is there a certain bar he needs to meet yearly? Does he need to do more in conference?
*7-9 win football team could still likely be ranked in the top 25.
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Posted on 5/22/21 at 8:56 pm to DaleDenton
Football I'm ok being average there. Too much bias from the NCAA for the blue bloods.
Plus, I'm just more of a basketball and baseball kinda guy personally.
Plus, I'm just more of a basketball and baseball kinda guy personally.
This post was edited on 5/22/21 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 5/22/21 at 8:58 pm to DaleDenton
We knew when we joined the SEC that football was on another level than what we left, and our program was down at that time as well. I don't for a minute regret leaving texas behind.
We've had some decent success in football but having other sports to look forward to is great for a Razorback fan.
I believe Sam will improve our program to at least a spoiler level, seems we have always been David against the Goliaths
We've had some decent success in football but having other sports to look forward to is great for a Razorback fan.
I believe Sam will improve our program to at least a spoiler level, seems we have always been David against the Goliaths
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:13 pm to DaleDenton
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Pittman has his contract started over, do we ride it out and give him time depending on bowl games landed
If Pittman gets to a bowl game and his recruiting improves every year. He will be here the length of his current contract. That would put him at 64-65ish.
And if there is any slip, I would expect to see him gone with our program in the best shape for a new coach since Nutt left.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:15 pm to FayetteNAM
I mostly just want to have hope, I haven’t had hope or belief we would win since Petrino left.
That’s how low our program is right now, but it is finally looking up.
That’s how low our program is right now, but it is finally looking up.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:23 pm to FayetteNAM
All anyone wants from the football team is 6-8 wins with regularity. Can that happen? Maybe, but you must get recruiting rolling to do that. And that means top 15-20 classes stacked on top of each other.
To go more than that in the West you better have an elite (usually mobile) QB who can carry your team beyond its talent level.
Other than football, there's not a better athletic dept. as a whole in the entire conf right now.
If you include football, then Alabama and Florida are easily ahead of Arkansas right now, but that's it, even with a shitty football program.
To go more than that in the West you better have an elite (usually mobile) QB who can carry your team beyond its talent level.
Other than football, there's not a better athletic dept. as a whole in the entire conf right now.
If you include football, then Alabama and Florida are easily ahead of Arkansas right now, but that's it, even with a shitty football program.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 9:56 pm to DaleDenton
21-5, easily. Having a top 10 football team creates a buzz and statewide excitement the other sports just cant match, and im more of a bball fan than anything.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 10:28 pm to DaleDenton
Football has become so silly that I don't even care anymore, although I do hope for the best for those who still do.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 10:47 pm to cigsmcgee
you know, I used to believe this and have been a long time tix holder.
But, I think this may have changed. Between all of the rule changes through the years, the large HD tv's, the costs associated, the mental health problems from it...
I think having baseball, basketball, softball, TandF, etc... being ultra successful might trump the football excitement these days..
But, I think this may have changed. Between all of the rule changes through the years, the large HD tv's, the costs associated, the mental health problems from it...
I think having baseball, basketball, softball, TandF, etc... being ultra successful might trump the football excitement these days..
Posted on 5/22/21 at 11:29 pm to Razorback Reverend
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I think having baseball, basketball, softball, TandF, etc... being ultra successful might trump the football excitement these days..
its a total chore to even find any of these baseball games on tv. for as great as this season has been, id argue hardly anyone has actually been watching. Omaha runs def generate some buzz, but id argue winning the league hasnt moved the needle nearly as much as when we got screwed losing to auburn in football. your average arkansas fan will always be football first.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 12:30 am to DaleDenton
We aren't sacrificing football to be good at everything else.
The Petrino situation sank us, and we are still digging our way out. If Pittman turns out to be our football Mike Anderson that gets us back to the ability to really compete, I would be happy with that.
In a perfect world, he's the guy and takes us there himself. Either way I feel like he has us pointed in the right direction, but W-L record may not tell the story.
The Petrino situation sank us, and we are still digging our way out. If Pittman turns out to be our football Mike Anderson that gets us back to the ability to really compete, I would be happy with that.
In a perfect world, he's the guy and takes us there himself. Either way I feel like he has us pointed in the right direction, but W-L record may not tell the story.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 12:58 am
Posted on 5/23/21 at 7:25 am to DaleDenton
I'll take what we have now instead of being a one sport program. I believe Frank wanted Arkansas to be good in other sports and not just football like the big three.
if Pittman can get Arkansas to 6-6 each year then that is improvement. He will probably retire in 3-4 years due to health reasons.
If Muss can make the NCAA tournament each year then he has met expectations.
if Pittman can get Arkansas to 6-6 each year then that is improvement. He will probably retire in 3-4 years due to health reasons.
If Muss can make the NCAA tournament each year then he has met expectations.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 7:33 am to DaleDenton
While I would love to be great in football and still enjoy our current level of success in everything else... on the whole I'm enjoying being top notch in a wide variety of sports.
So many SEC schools seem to be one sport wonders but once that sport ends for the year you are kind of stuck just twiddling your thumbs. And God help you if the sport your school lives for has a horrible season like Kentucky did in basketball.
I think it all comes down to the AD as your overall level of success. Long didn't do a bad job at the second and third tier sports. He is, however, notoriously bad at doing background checks. People warned us Petrino had the ethics of a weasel on speed... and they were right. People warned us Bert was a lazy drunk riding Alvarez's coat tails at Wisconsin... and they were right.
Hunter, so far, has done an amazing job at directing our sports. I think he will get us over the hump in football as well.
So many SEC schools seem to be one sport wonders but once that sport ends for the year you are kind of stuck just twiddling your thumbs. And God help you if the sport your school lives for has a horrible season like Kentucky did in basketball.
I think it all comes down to the AD as your overall level of success. Long didn't do a bad job at the second and third tier sports. He is, however, notoriously bad at doing background checks. People warned us Petrino had the ethics of a weasel on speed... and they were right. People warned us Bert was a lazy drunk riding Alvarez's coat tails at Wisconsin... and they were right.
Hunter, so far, has done an amazing job at directing our sports. I think he will get us over the hump in football as well.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 7:34 am to Pygthagorean Theorem
Not enough parity, rule changes, longer games, politics, and the high costs of attendance is killing college football.
The top programs aren't as impacted as the weaker ones as they are taken care of.
Baseball and basketball will continue to slowly be more popular than football as attendance will continue to dwindle.
The top programs aren't as impacted as the weaker ones as they are taken care of.
Baseball and basketball will continue to slowly be more popular than football as attendance will continue to dwindle.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 7:40 am to Ham Solo
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We aren't sacrificing football to be good at everything else.
You sure about that? We just extended the lowest paying football contract In the sec another year. We all like pittboss but he’s a low ceiling high floor type of hire. He has incentives In his contact for going 6-6.
OU poaching mike woods tells you all you need to know about where we are as a football program.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 8:24 am
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:01 am to cigsmcgee
Over 10,000 showed up on Thursday and probably the next two days.
Winning the league has definitely moved the needle by the amount of fans showed up and the reaction.
Maybe that is true a bout the average Arkansas fan regarding football being first. But the problem is the lack of success over 30 years in the SEC has shown that while the fans care, the people in power have not put any emphasis on being a contender in this conference.
When they are asked the tough questions a bout why Arkansas can't compete, they make excuses for the lack of effort.
At some point fans give up as the people in charge don't care. I have stopped caring because they don't listen to the fans.
I'll take an SEC champ in baseball any day over a 9-3 football season. SEC champs are rare in the big three.
Winning the league has definitely moved the needle by the amount of fans showed up and the reaction.
Maybe that is true a bout the average Arkansas fan regarding football being first. But the problem is the lack of success over 30 years in the SEC has shown that while the fans care, the people in power have not put any emphasis on being a contender in this conference.
When they are asked the tough questions a bout why Arkansas can't compete, they make excuses for the lack of effort.
At some point fans give up as the people in charge don't care. I have stopped caring because they don't listen to the fans.
I'll take an SEC champ in baseball any day over a 9-3 football season. SEC champs are rare in the big three.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:03 am to Poker_hog
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We all like pittboss but he’s a low ceiling low floor type of hire
I'm not sure why this seems to be the prevailing judgement on Pittman. The book on him has yet to be written and he has done nothing but show promising results so far, especially considering what he walked into.
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OU poaching mike woods tells you all you need to know about where we are as a football program.
I agree here. We aren't respected and won't get the exposure that top athletes want. We need to overachieve this year to regain some standing. I think we will.
To answer OP, I would rather suffer through a shitty sports experience in Sep, Oct and Nov to have excitement in Dec-June.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:23 am to V Bainbridge
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I'm not sure why this seems to be the prevailing judgement on Pittman. The book on him has yet to be written and he has done nothing but show promising results so far, especially considering what he walked into.
Meant to say high floor low ceiling. The guys that win big either recruit extremely well (Saban, Smart, EO, Freeze) or are great at developing a QB (Mullins, CBP). Pitt is neither of those. Pitt is competent, maybe even good but won't win big here.
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:31 am to Poker_hog
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but won't win big here.
This is more of what I was talking about. We just don't know that yet. We only have one year of him being a head coach to judge him by. Not saying you are wrong. I just don't see any evidence that points to this. It feels like a continuation of the "He's a lifetime assistant" critique.
This post was edited on 5/23/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/23/21 at 8:34 am to DaleDenton
Every other. In football it’ll continue to be Bama, Clemson, Ohio St and OU in the playoff. A random other team every now and then
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