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re: 21-5 or this?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 5:55 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
Posted on 5/24/21 at 5:55 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
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Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:06 pm to Porcine Human
Yet South Carolina has a terrible football history being in such a good spot.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 6:12 pm to oklahogjr
Yet Clemson cherry picks the best talent from other states as South Carolina isn't enough to be elite.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:24 pm to dchog
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We have second largest alumni base in Texas besides A&M in the SEC. A huge following in the Dallas metro. It was long ago that more half of the freshman class was from Texas.
Well sure, when you remove all the Texas schools besides a&m, and the big 12 schools were the second closest and 2nd most popular. But that's not really telling the full story is it.
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Not a substantial great advantage of distance that Oklahoma has over Arkansas.
Its not substantial unless you want friends and family to visit. Then a quick hop up i-35 is easy. Even if it isn't thst much further driving us 75 all the way up from Dallas sucks, always has always will.
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What they do have over us is they play in a much weaker conference, is a brand name and have a scandalous reputation of cheating at the highest level.
They're a far more prestigious program than us. There is a large enough gap between our programs I'm comfortable with saying we aren't going to ever be as good a program as OU.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:44 pm to oklahogjr
They are because they have cheated for decades. Back when the NCAA had balls, they put them on probation and the same with Oklahoma state. They have and will always be an outlaw program.
Of course Arkansas won't be as good as Oklahoma with them being experts at cheating. It is a culture they have. Arkansas has not and probably never will have a culture like that.
Of course Arkansas won't be as good as Oklahoma with them being experts at cheating. It is a culture they have. Arkansas has not and probably never will have a culture like that.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:09 pm to dchog
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Of course Arkansas won't be as good as Oklahoma with them being experts at cheating. It is a culture they have. Arkansas has not and probably never will have a culture like that.
Can you name a college football blue blood without a culture like that?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:23 pm to oklahogjr
Some cheat more than others but Oklahoma and Bama, it is just a work of art.
Some like Ole Miss are dumb and let themselves get caught. Then you understand why they have always sucked.
Some like Ole Miss are dumb and let themselves get caught. Then you understand why they have always sucked.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:24 pm to dchog
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Some cheat more than others but Oklahoma and Bama, it is just a work of art.
So no?
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:30 pm to oklahogjr
All schools cheat to an extent. It is just some schools do it better than others.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:33 am to dchog
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All schools cheat to an extent. It is just some schools do it better than others.
You'll understand if all of this sounds like you making excuses for why we don't win instead of looking at demographics and population to understand why we aren't even close to being a blue blood.
This is your logic right now.
Well everyone cheats but only a handful of Blueblood win due to cheating. So they must be winning because of the cheating....
Posted on 5/25/21 at 9:13 am to oklahogjr
Nope we don't win because the people making the decisions don't care a bout football here. You see it in the hirings for 30 years. That is the story of Arkansas football.
If demographics and and population are the excuses that Arkansas isn't good enough then what is the point supporting a program that isn't trying or don't care? Why sell themselves short and have a loser attitude?
Well they do cheat and get away with it. Why does college football lack parity? Because we no longer have a governing body that can enforce rules for all schools. Only the top schools get the brakes. That is what the NCAA wants.
If demographics and and population are the excuses that Arkansas isn't good enough then what is the point supporting a program that isn't trying or don't care? Why sell themselves short and have a loser attitude?
Well they do cheat and get away with it. Why does college football lack parity? Because we no longer have a governing body that can enforce rules for all schools. Only the top schools get the brakes. That is what the NCAA wants.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:30 pm to DaleDenton
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So you are saying a New Year's Day bowl game is equal to a NC in Basketball or baseball?
For me personally I'd prefer a New Year's Day bowl game win to a baseball NC. I think the former also carries more prestige.
Basketball title would be way better than a New Year's Day bowl, and only slightly behind a football title for me
Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:38 pm to The Sultan of Swine
I'll take baseball and basketball over football any day. Much more long term sustainability across those with where we are in the landscape of college football.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:45 pm to dchog
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All schools cheat to an extent. It is just some schools do it better than others.
No.
The rules just don't apply to some schools.
We're one of the shitty small schools that don't matter where the rules do apply. Along with Ole Miss.
We're the ones they make examples out of and say "oh were doing the right thing"
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:44 pm to STLhog
I knew someone that played for Oklahoma and he said that he liked Arkansas but Oklahoma paid more. So yes Arkansas does cheat on a very small scale but not on the level of the elite schools.
I read a book called Hogs, Horns and Nixon coming. A recruit described the recruiting process. He went to Arkansas but Oklahoma State tried to get him a new car. I don't remember the rest but the recruit said that Oklahoma State was shady. I guess his mind was made up.
Yes the NCAA does protect the elite schools and that is why it lacks parity and is in a decline.
I read a book called Hogs, Horns and Nixon coming. A recruit described the recruiting process. He went to Arkansas but Oklahoma State tried to get him a new car. I don't remember the rest but the recruit said that Oklahoma State was shady. I guess his mind was made up.
Yes the NCAA does protect the elite schools and that is why it lacks parity and is in a decline.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:49 pm to STLhog
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The rules just don't apply to some schools.
We're one of the shitty small schools that don't matter where the rules do apply. Along with Ole Miss.
Why we and schools like Ole Miss tolerate this is beyond me. We need to give the same kind of "frick You, prove it" position to the NCAA that the schools that get away with it do.
Straight up rebel if they do press the issue.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:32 pm to V Bainbridge
If we are going down that route, we don't need to go full retard like Ole Miss who can't even do it right.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:42 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Unless we win the SEC or the NC, I'm taking a baseball title over any football season.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:13 pm to dchog
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demographics and and population are the excuses that Arkansas isn't good enough then what is the point supporting a program that isn't trying or don't care?
I'm not saying they aren't trying or don't care. I know folks on our athletic department and they care plenty.
What I am saying is there is a ceiling on what we can achieve consistently as a program. We're capable of a great year or great streak of years like 21-5. But this expectation that nutt had us at 8-4 and was mediocre so we should expect 9-3 on average from a good coach is Ludacris. We've never been that good without playing a schedule full of cream puffs.
In this era with our schedules and what not....6-6 is the floor 10-2/11-1 seems to be the ceiling. Eventually Saban leaves and you gotta hope we finally beat bama again. I wish the ncaa would put them on probation but there is far too much money at stake for that.
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:09 pm to oklahogjr
If that was the case then Jeff Long wouldn't have lasted as long as he did but I dropped my season tickets when he said that winning didn't matter after the Missouri loss. Then they hired Chad Morris, a lazy and stupid hire. They had better candidates than that moron, why did they settle just for him?
No one has a ceiling except making good or bad hires. Do we expect Bama results? No but if Bear Bryant was alive and never went to Alabama but Arkansas then you bet we would be a top program. He sure as hell wouldn't be making excuses why his team couldn't win that year or that game. Arkansas needs to stop making excuses and compete and that is all that Arkansas fans are asking. We can do a lot better than what we are doing now.
Nutt underachieved at Arkansas and didn't win anything with the best running backs in SEC history. His lame excuses got old and was fired. It wasn't so much a bout win average with Nutt but wasted talent.
Wasn't that the point of firing Nutt being an 7-5/8-4 coach? So that we can do better? Well we did just that and I can bet a lot of money that had Petrino not fallen off the bike, he would have a better win average or percentage than Nutt. It wouldn't be significant but just enough to make Arkansas compete better. Butch Davis would have done better than Nutt but they gave him a two year pass and that ended that possibility.
A 8-4/9-3 average isn't some impossible task. Arkansas is going to need if they ever want to see fans in the stands in the future because they sure as of now aren't making that effort.
If the NCAA isn't going to enforce the rules then why should we obey? what is the point of rules if they are not followed?
No one has a ceiling except making good or bad hires. Do we expect Bama results? No but if Bear Bryant was alive and never went to Alabama but Arkansas then you bet we would be a top program. He sure as hell wouldn't be making excuses why his team couldn't win that year or that game. Arkansas needs to stop making excuses and compete and that is all that Arkansas fans are asking. We can do a lot better than what we are doing now.
Nutt underachieved at Arkansas and didn't win anything with the best running backs in SEC history. His lame excuses got old and was fired. It wasn't so much a bout win average with Nutt but wasted talent.
Wasn't that the point of firing Nutt being an 7-5/8-4 coach? So that we can do better? Well we did just that and I can bet a lot of money that had Petrino not fallen off the bike, he would have a better win average or percentage than Nutt. It wouldn't be significant but just enough to make Arkansas compete better. Butch Davis would have done better than Nutt but they gave him a two year pass and that ended that possibility.
A 8-4/9-3 average isn't some impossible task. Arkansas is going to need if they ever want to see fans in the stands in the future because they sure as of now aren't making that effort.
If the NCAA isn't going to enforce the rules then why should we obey? what is the point of rules if they are not followed?
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