re: Tua would've transferred if kept on sidelines for last game

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This is the crux of the argument. January Tua didn't exist in October. He developed over time to turn into what we saw in Atlanta.

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September 23 vs vandy hurts went 9-17 for 78 yards 0 passing or rushing tds. Tua went 8-10 and 2 scores. He was better than jalen before October.

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September 23 vs vandy hurts went 9-17 for 78 yards 0 passing or rushing tds. Tua went 8-10 and 2 scores. He was better than jalen before October.

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I would love for this to have been true, but 1) this is an incredibly small sample size to attempt to draw a conclusion from, and 2) what Tua did in practices matters significantly, and apparently he threw it to the defense for 6 a lot.

However, believe whatever you want to believe. It's not worth arguing about anymore. Perhaps you should replace Saban since you obviously know what's better for our team based on watching a few games from your recliner.

Nonetheless, we all want Tua to play going forward, and most of us wanted to see him take the reigns earlier than the GA game last year.

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A string of three and outs isn't as damaging as an interception, no.

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I wholeheartedly disagree, although it obviously depends on a number of factors, most notably field position.

This stupid rumor that Tua is/was a turnover machine...
For one thing, a passer like Tua is going to take more risks in practice than in a game - that's how you get better, and is what practice is for.

Secondly, he had 2 turnovers all season long - one coming vs a top 5 defense in crunch time because he was so inexperienced he didn't know the play. Not indicative of a strong tendency to throw picks

Third, Daboll was at those same practices where Tua was supposedly throwing picks all over the damn field, and Daboll thought Tua was clearly better, as did the receivers.

Tua was NEVER a turnover machine. He might've thrown some careless picks in practice while testing the limits of his own abilities, but given his actual turnover rate per snap last year, he would've turned it over less than 10 times on the season - not an issue

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Tua was NEVER a turnover machine. He might've thrown some careless picks in practice while testing the limits of his own abilities

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You play like you practice.

Our definition of "a turnover machine" is probably different than Saban's. As posted earlier, he apparently believes that every turnover increases your chance of losing a game by 25%.

There's an almost hysterical feel about some of these posts -- not necessarily yours, but in general. Some folks seem to feel it's Tua or nobody at QB, which is ridiculous.

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Tua was NEVER a turnover machine

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If you take issue with my wording, fine. "Turnover machine" is hyperbolic. However, this description is based on Boz's and others' reports of practices and scrimmages where they directly reported to this board (and on other boards) that Tua was throwing not only interceptions in practices with a higher than Saban would like frequency, but they they were pick 6s - TDs for the defense.

You can choose to believe that this did not happen in practice, or you can choose to believe that Boz and others were lying. Do whatever you want.

However, it was believed by everyone in the know that this was the issue that made Saban stay with Hurts throughout the season, as opposed to going with Tua.

It was also reported by insiders that he stopped throwing these pick 6s in November practices, when many including Daboll wanted Tua to take over. Tua then took another step forward in playoff practices and simply looked like the MUCH better QB.

All I and anyone else is saying in these threads is to tell everyone why Saban supposedly did what he did. It is not support for Jalen or anything akin to that. It is simply a rehashing of exactly what happened last year.

If you want to revise history, be my guest. But it happened.

Please keep the downvotes coming. It's my badge of honor against mediocre people.

EDIT: Who's the high achieving Son of a Whore who upvoted me? You bastidge.

Alright, for shits and gigs, if turnover issues (and/or lack of playbook knowledge) was not the reason for Saban choosing to keep Tua as #2, and Tua was this amazing world-beater for the entirety of last year as many here claim, then I ask you: Why did Saban, the GOAT coach, a man who's forgotten more about football than most here will ever know, not go with Tua? Why?

This question is for anyone.

If you're talking to me, I haven't called anybody a conspiracy theorist. I'm just pointing out that Boz, like everyone, has his opinions. And he seems even more intent than most people are on finding the narrative that supports his opinions.

The starting QB is going to have to be pretty bad before Saban, or most other intelligent coaches are going to replace them with a true freshman - especially on a team that is loaded and just needs mistake free football from a QB with a slight pulse. I have no doubt that Tua committed more turnovers in practice than Jalen. But, even if he hadn't, Jalen was going to have to start costing us games before he was ever going to be replaced by a true freshman. And I think Tua's turnover "problems" in practice were probably greatly exaggerated by certain people who, like I said, have a tendency to find the narrative that fits the story they want to believe. There were other "insiders" saying that Tua had been outperforming Jalen since he stepped on campus.

I never expected Tua to start until later in the year, even though I've been off the Hurts bandwagon as long as anyone.

Nick Saban is very loyal to his players that does what he ask of them. You would have to really look hard to find a Bama QB (on a really good Bama Team) that had the two games #2 had vs AU in 2016 and 2017 (throwing the ball). He was pathetic at best. He is a wildcat QB that is a every down starter or was. He makes stuff happen when he runs the ball. It's not personal...it is a position on the team.