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re: Tua would've transferred if kept on sidelines for last game
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:07 pm to Panthers4life
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:07 pm to Panthers4life
I stand by my words, hoss. I don't care who is or isn't around.
At least you shook your head, tho. You've got that.
At least you shook your head, tho. You've got that.
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:42 am to Cobrasize
I don't care to get back into the Tua vs. Hurts last season stuff, but no way do I want Hurts to transfer and people that do are crazy. Tua hurting his thumb should be enough evidence that we need more qb's on the team and not less.
Going into next season with just Tua and Mac would all the sudden make qb a problem area. Tua tweaks something and then instead of being able to take a game off essentially, maybe just play a series, he has to fight through injury all year. Or we let him sit and put in an unknown commodity without a real backup - I guess Tua would have to be thrown back in if Mac got injured?
Really don't get the "hope Hurts transfers" comments, that would be a major blow to this team IMO.
Going into next season with just Tua and Mac would all the sudden make qb a problem area. Tua tweaks something and then instead of being able to take a game off essentially, maybe just play a series, he has to fight through injury all year. Or we let him sit and put in an unknown commodity without a real backup - I guess Tua would have to be thrown back in if Mac got injured?
Really don't get the "hope Hurts transfers" comments, that would be a major blow to this team IMO.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:24 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Going into next season with just Tua and Mac would all the sudden make qb a problem area.
Going into the season wth only Tua, Hurts, and Mac is already a problem. Saban has said multiple times - 4 scholarship QBs are necessary to be able to practice effectively.
Everyone thinks about games. Having 3 QBs inhibits our ability TO PRACTICE. We need to keep Hurts AND add one more QB if possible.
If Hurts transfers before the season AND we fail to bring in another QB, our QB situation wouldn't be "a problem area" - it would be an unmitigated disaster.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:54 am to prevatt33
I'm sure there are several on the team that were high school qbs. Ardarius Stewart may have been a better passer than Hurts. I remember one game Hurts was struggling completing passes, I think the Auburn game, and Stewart threw a td.
Now I think of it, maybe it wasn't a td, but a key completion
Now I think of it, maybe it wasn't a td, but a key completion
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:06 am to John Milner
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I'm sure there are several on the team that were high school qbs.
Really, in the above disaster situation, you just try to solve it by having some walk-on QBs with some real ability and commitment to doing what you'd ask of a QB on scholarship. Hard to find but can be done.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:06 am to John Milner
You are thinking about the 24 yard pass that Stewart completed in the 2016(season) NC game against Clemson. It was the play before Jalen scampered 30 yards for the go ahead touchdown.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:23 am to Funky Tide 8
yeah. That's probably the one. I think he did complete a pass to OJ Howard vs Auburn, but the pass vs Clemson is the one I was thinking about.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 7:55 am to prevatt33
Checking in, looks like I missed some things. Went on vacation.
So in regards to what I saw early with Tua it’s really simple. Tua was talented we all know this but he was turnover prone. Like every practice.
Examples, Tua throws a forced pick and Sabans body language completely shifts and basically tells the OC to “ get him the hell out of there”.
It’s sometimes hard to convey things without a video but, essentially almost everything I attended Tua was making a forced play when in reality he didn’t have too. I think that was what rubbed Saban the most, he wanted him to learn patience and not try to make a play when it wasn’t there.
You saw a slight glimpse of that in the natty then he got his patience in order and made plenty of strikes.
The practices leading up to Clemson when I said Tua had a package, he was WAY more patient in the pocket and threw the ball away when necessary. That IMO is what made Saban trust him finally.
Glad everyone kept it civil. Cheers.
So in regards to what I saw early with Tua it’s really simple. Tua was talented we all know this but he was turnover prone. Like every practice.
Examples, Tua throws a forced pick and Sabans body language completely shifts and basically tells the OC to “ get him the hell out of there”.
It’s sometimes hard to convey things without a video but, essentially almost everything I attended Tua was making a forced play when in reality he didn’t have too. I think that was what rubbed Saban the most, he wanted him to learn patience and not try to make a play when it wasn’t there.
You saw a slight glimpse of that in the natty then he got his patience in order and made plenty of strikes.
The practices leading up to Clemson when I said Tua had a package, he was WAY more patient in the pocket and threw the ball away when necessary. That IMO is what made Saban trust him finally.
Glad everyone kept it civil. Cheers.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 8:45 am to CrimsonBoz
JMO but I would take my chances with giving #13 the chance to improve vs #2. After two full years if you believe the light is going to come on for #2 then fine. It's like only #2 can improve.
#2's last two games vs AU were pathetic at best. Pathetic.
#2's last two games vs AU were pathetic at best. Pathetic.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:43 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Oh I totally agree that Tua should be the guy but I’m not sure how Saban will play this to keep Jalen around. The early Tua was just really risky and somewhat immature to Saban and that kept him off the field starter wise.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:02 am to CrimsonBoz
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Oh I totally agree that Tua should be the guy but I’m not sure how Saban will play this to keep Jalen around.
Because I love the kind of person and teammate Jalen is and also because of QB depth concerns, part of me hates to to say this -- but I'm to point that I think the program and Jalen might both be better off if Jalen transfers this summer.
Give Tua #1, Mac #2 and Hatcher #3 all the practice reps. We could have Bolden work at QB for added insurance (maybe redshirt him) or just use Barker and/or other walk-ons for the QBs needed to run practices.
Arizona (good relationship with Sumlin) or FAU (Kiffin) or Houston (Applewhite) might be a good place for Jalen. He'd have to sit out for a season though. Or maybe he can find a good FCS school situation for fall semester where he can start and get good development coaching, graduate in Dec and then grad transfer back to D1.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/26/18 at 11:09 am to CrimsonBoz
Here's my take in a nutshell:
It became obvious in the 2016 natty that Jalen has severe limitations in the passing game. He worked on improving in the offseason and made some progress, but had/has too far to go to be a complete QB. And Tua had typical freshman-itis in 2017: I can beat you with my arm no matter what. It took him till November to figure out he can't do that at this level and beyond. He's still learning, but it's sinking in. Saban, above all else, values protecting the football. He will play the player with less ability if said player plays smarter with the ball. He does this to a fault. I have said it many times and I will repeat it again; Saban is the GOAT. But if he has a fault it is this: he is ultra-conservative, especially in big games. He often plays not to lose instead of playing to win. And in a minuscule sample size of losses, I would say it bites him in the arse more often than it should.
Now for some blatant speculation on my part that we will never know the answer to: I humbly submit as an armchair QB that Tua gave us a better chance to win the Iron Bowl than Jalen. He also gave us a better chance to lose the Iron Bowl. Saban did what he always does and went with the safer choice in Jalen. If he rolls the dice with Tua, I think we win. Despite the possibility of TO's and Pick 6's, I think his upside would have negated any mistakes he might have made and we win the game. We'll never know. What I do know is, to my great chagrin, our GOAT will never change his ways and play riverboat gambler in a big game, and most of the time, his way will work and we will win. But it makes the losses more irritating. The closest he has come to being a gambler is in the first natty versus Clemson with the onside kick. Savor that moment because it was Saban's deeply suppressed wild side. You may never see it again.
It became obvious in the 2016 natty that Jalen has severe limitations in the passing game. He worked on improving in the offseason and made some progress, but had/has too far to go to be a complete QB. And Tua had typical freshman-itis in 2017: I can beat you with my arm no matter what. It took him till November to figure out he can't do that at this level and beyond. He's still learning, but it's sinking in. Saban, above all else, values protecting the football. He will play the player with less ability if said player plays smarter with the ball. He does this to a fault. I have said it many times and I will repeat it again; Saban is the GOAT. But if he has a fault it is this: he is ultra-conservative, especially in big games. He often plays not to lose instead of playing to win. And in a minuscule sample size of losses, I would say it bites him in the arse more often than it should.
Now for some blatant speculation on my part that we will never know the answer to: I humbly submit as an armchair QB that Tua gave us a better chance to win the Iron Bowl than Jalen. He also gave us a better chance to lose the Iron Bowl. Saban did what he always does and went with the safer choice in Jalen. If he rolls the dice with Tua, I think we win. Despite the possibility of TO's and Pick 6's, I think his upside would have negated any mistakes he might have made and we win the game. We'll never know. What I do know is, to my great chagrin, our GOAT will never change his ways and play riverboat gambler in a big game, and most of the time, his way will work and we will win. But it makes the losses more irritating. The closest he has come to being a gambler is in the first natty versus Clemson with the onside kick. Savor that moment because it was Saban's deeply suppressed wild side. You may never see it again.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:13 am to TidalSurge1
Jay Barker's son was/is coming this fall as a walk-on at QB. He had some success at Spain Park. Doubt he ever plays a snap but you need 4 QB's just run the practice sessions without the managers having to throw.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 7:18 am to phil4bama
The loss to AU in 2013 was an example of Nick contributing to the loss....then again Cade Foster choked his guts out and was the Main reason for that loss.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 12:58 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Wasn't even Cade Foster who kicked that.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:24 pm to phil4bama
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The closest he has come to being a gambler is in the first natty versus Clemson with the onside kick. Savor that moment because it was Saban's deeply suppressed wild side. You may never see it again.
You forget the fake punt against Texas in 09. Risky side of the field and early too.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:04 pm to Commander Data
Saban does crazy stuff all the time. It's just myth that he is ultra conservative.
Hell he hired Lane fricking Kiffin as an OC.
Hell he hired Lane fricking Kiffin as an OC.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:17 pm to 3down10
I've always said Saban is very unpredictable in big season openers and post-season play, particularly in special teams.
But that fake punt against Texas was on the punter, wasn't it?
But that fake punt against Texas was on the punter, wasn't it?
Posted on 5/27/18 at 3:15 pm to prevatt33
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But that fake punt against Texas was on the punter, wasn't it?
Yeah but the call itself was pretty whack
Posted on 5/27/18 at 3:20 pm to 3down10
Hell boy he missed 4 FG's from inside the 40 and one inside the 20 that would have put us up by 10 late in the 4th QTR! The Kick didn't F matter at that point because you were going to lose in OT.
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