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Posted on 5/19/18 at 2:22 am to CapstoneGrad06
Saban almost royally screwed us over. Jesus Christ. You insist on playing Hurts to the point of losing the iron bowl, losing WR recruits, losing your OC, almost losing Tua, and almost losing the national title game.
Thank God we went down 2 scores before halftime vs Georgia.
Also anyone who thinks Jalen will take another meaningful snap at Alabama is out of their fricking minds
Thank God we went down 2 scores before halftime vs Georgia.
Also anyone who thinks Jalen will take another meaningful snap at Alabama is out of their fricking minds
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 2:35 am
Posted on 5/19/18 at 2:32 am to CAbamafan
Think where we would be right now if not for Tua...
We'd be coming off yet another NC loss due to poor QB play, entering 2018 with no hope of beating Georgia, WR recruits would be running away. Georgia would likely take over as king of the SEC, and Saban's dynasty is over.
Tua is literally saving the latter part of Saban's career - starting with the 2nd half vs Georgia, and likely ending with at least one more natty in the next 2 years, and giving him time to get another good QB for after he goes pro
Bottom line, without Tua getting in vs. Georgia, Alabama's dynasty might be sliding downhill right now. Thank God we went down 13-0 instead of 6-0 at half.
We'd be coming off yet another NC loss due to poor QB play, entering 2018 with no hope of beating Georgia, WR recruits would be running away. Georgia would likely take over as king of the SEC, and Saban's dynasty is over.
Tua is literally saving the latter part of Saban's career - starting with the 2nd half vs Georgia, and likely ending with at least one more natty in the next 2 years, and giving him time to get another good QB for after he goes pro
Bottom line, without Tua getting in vs. Georgia, Alabama's dynasty might be sliding downhill right now. Thank God we went down 13-0 instead of 6-0 at half.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 2:34 am
Posted on 5/19/18 at 3:42 am to 14&Counting
Don't blame him. Jalen did everything in his power to be the weak point on the most talented/best coached team in college football. If Saban didn't put him in after getting blown out in the first half of the natty he never would.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 7:07 am to Cobrasize
I can't believe we are doing this again. For once I have nothing to say about it.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:55 pm to remaster916
How many games did Jalen help win? Would Tua have had the same record? I think he would have had some freshman mistakes and we would have dropped a few games imo.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 5:37 pm to Sebastian
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I think he would have had some freshman mistakes
Many people forget/don't want to remember that the light started coming on for Tua in November and then he really took a step forward in playoff practice. He was not that player for 2/3 of the season. He showed flashes, but turned it over too much to be trusted.
Using hindsight, we could mildly criticize Saban for MAYBE waiting too late to insert Tua. But it's hindsight, it's mild criticism, and it's a maybe.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 5:41 pm to Sebastian
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How many games did Jalen help win? Would Tua have had the same record? I think he would have had some freshman mistakes and we would have dropped a few games imo.
Jalen turned the ball over 14 times his freshman year, and was lucky we recovered several fumbles. I don't think Tua would have done worse than that. Anyhow, it's a moot point now.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 8:06 pm to Commander Data
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I can't believe we are doing this again. For once I have nothing to say about it.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 11:24 pm to TidalSurge1
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Simone Eli @SimoneEli_TV
MUST WATCH: Tua Tagovailoa's moves go well beyond the football field! Traditional Samoan dance from @Tuaamann_ is pretty dang cool! #RollTide #Alabama · Twitter Video
8:07 PM · May 19, 2018
Posted on 5/20/18 at 6:26 am to TidalSurge1
This place is getting depressing. People honestly think he is the only player on the team that was considering leaving. I would say over half the team has thought that and some have already. The nature of the beast in competitive sports. His parents were not going to let him transfer from what I read in the article and for those with concerns going into the fall I doubt his brother would have committed already. He probably would have waited to see if his brother wins the job.
But some enjoy misery so have at it.
But some enjoy misery so have at it.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:57 am to prevatt33
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Many people forget/don't want to remember that the light started coming on for Tua in November and then he really took a step forward in playoff practice. He was not that player for 2/3 of the season. He showed flashes, but turned it over too much to be trusted.
Wasn’t he lighting up Vanderbilt and ole miss in September?
Also, how many turnovers did tua have during the year? I only remember the Tennessee interception.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that’s definitely not how I remember the tua situation last year.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:11 am to prevatt33
Hurts was losing the team long before the uga game. The GOAT should have lost his second title game in a row for being so stubborn about playing Tua.
Ridley was live posting on some social site in the locker room after the title game. The WRs were caught saying that Tua had been spinning the ball like that all season. I believe the GOAT flew way too close to the sun last season, and was lucky to get away with it. Its Tuas team now, and anyone confused about that is hindering progress... GOAT included.
Ridley was live posting on some social site in the locker room after the title game. The WRs were caught saying that Tua had been spinning the ball like that all season. I believe the GOAT flew way too close to the sun last season, and was lucky to get away with it. Its Tuas team now, and anyone confused about that is hindering progress... GOAT included.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 11:21 am to TideWarrior
Tua Tagovailoa shares context of his transfer comments (BamaOnLine)
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Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa made headlines earlier this week when his speech to his former intermediate school in Hawaii was shared and revealed he considered transferring early in the season and would have had he not played in the national title game.
His message in his hometown of Ewa Beach, Hawaii -- which he was in for a parade in his honor Saturday -- was one of perseverance. But as it made its way across the internet, Tagovailoa said his comments were misconstrued in a sit-down with CBS 42’s Simone Eli.
“I think if you’re a collegiate athlete, you’re most definitely competitive,” Tagovailoa said. “I mean you’re going to feel like you want to play, and if your opportunity is not given, sometimes you make emotional decisions. But I think for me, what I meant was when you feel like you kind of want to quit or if you want to give in, I think the more you kind of put your head in the ground, in the dirt and you keep working and pushing, trying to push through it, I think that’s when you start to see the better of the end result.
“I kind of got the wrong end when I saw it on ESPN. I think they most definitely took it out of context saying if I didn’t play I would’ve left and whatnot. And I think sometimes if you don’t stick it in, like what I said, if you don’t stick it in, if you just keep giving up, you won’t see the end result and what God has prepared, which is the blessing. I don’t think I would’ve experienced it if I left.
“I was talking about Fourth Quarter (Program) more so. When we’re doing the first day of Fourth Quarter, I wanted to leave. I called my dad, I called back home and I told him I wanted to go to USC. … After our running, I come back to the dorm that night after tutoring and I call my dad and I tell him, ‘Dad, we’ve got to go. I can’t do this.’ I mean if I just didn’t stick it in through that whole time during Fourth Quarter, during spring ball, during camp and then during the season, I don’t think me and you would’ve been here talking right now.”
The Crimson Tide’s sophomore signal caller was back in his hometown of Ewa Beach over the weekend, four months after leading Alabama to a comeback overtime win over Georgia in the national championship game for a “Hometown Hero Parade” on Saturday.
At the Boys & Girls Club, Tagovailoa was the star of a parade, gave a speech and prayed with the crowd and performed a traditional Samoan dance in honor of his grandfather.
Tagovailoa will continue to compete with Jalen Hurts for the Tide’s starting spot behind center when he and his Alabama teammates return to Tuscaloosa later this summer.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:09 pm to PowHound
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I believe the GOAT flew way too close to the sun last season, and was lucky to get away with it.
A lot of Saban doubting in this thread. One thing that gets lost in this conversation is Coach's pathological obsession with turnovers and how that will get you beat. I heard Saban give a speech in person once: We love to bandy stats around but Saban said most football statistics are bullshite. The one stat. that you can take to the bank is the NFL's turnover margin which is almost like a law of nature. Basically it's as follows:
1 turnover = a loss 25% of the time
2 turnovers = a loss 50% of the time
3 turnovers = a loss 75% of the time
4 turnovers = a loss 100% of the time.
Hurts got a lot better at protecting the ball his sophomore year. Problem was opponents got a lot better at defending Hurts and Hurts didn't threaten anyone with his arm. Coach played the odds brilliantly and we won a lot of games. However, we saw the problems started to appear i/m/o in the Aggie game. MSU was a very shaky outing and the wheels came off at AU. Everyone on the staff knew Tua was a better talent but they had to weigh the odds of that raw talent getting us beat with turnovers vs. Jalen's conservative steady play. Obviously the Iron Bowl forced them to confront the fact that if we were going to get to the pinnacle, Jalen couldn't get us there and we had to take that chance.
It's not that Saban is hard headed or stubborn: Nick knows whats up but he has to weigh all the factors and determine what gives us the best opportunity to win a particular game and he wasn't inclined to switch horses mid-stream until it was painfully obvious that Jalen was regressing and he didn't the best odds of winning.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:37 pm to 14&Counting
Gold star post. ETA: If I was in CNS shoes, I'd have probably made the switch at halftime in Starkville.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 12:46 pm to PowHound
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I believe the GOAT flew way too close to the sun last season, and was lucky to get away with it
I know you needed an analogy/expression about 'getting away with it', but Icarus flew too close to the sun out of ignorance and blind hubris. Saban was erring on the side of caution regarding turnovers. Your analogy was simply terrible and doesn't fit at all.
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Its Tuas team now, and anyone confused about that is hindering progress... GOAT included.
While I agree that Tua gives us the best chance to win, and playing Hurts would be bad for a number of reasons - most notably recruiting - everyone has to remember one thing: we need 4 QBs to effectively practice, and we currently have 3. Losing Hurts would be terrible. Saban is doing everything he can to keep whatever QBs we have, and he's also trying to bring on another to get us to 4. So, many journalists and fans are 'getting it twisted' regarding his words and motivations, IMO.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 1:47 pm to prevatt33
Watch Tua Tagovailoa honor teammates, family & friends during hometown celebration in Hawaii (youtube)
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/20/18 at 2:39 pm to prevatt33
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Saban was erring on the side of caution regarding turnovers.
You keep saying this about a kid who only had 1 turnover going into the uga game.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 2:47 pm to MoarKilometers
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had 1 turnover going into the uga game
I know most of you think that we just show up on Saturdays and play, but I promise you that we do practice, and that those thousands of practice reps make up the vast majority of the performance time that's evaluated by coaches. And by ALL REPORTS, Tua was literally a pick-six machine from August to October.
I know you can't and won't believe it because you didnt see it with your eyes, but thankfully, reality is not predicated on your belief in it.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 2:52 pm
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