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re: Saban plans on playing both Tua and Jalen for the rest of the season

Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:09 pm to
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I guess that's the most logical explanation assuming he doesn't redshirt. He actually did think he might win the job. OR, Saban told him they'd both play. Now it's obvious to everyone who the best QB is and Saban feels like he can't back off the "we have two good QB's who can help us win" shtick.



Or, in this rare instance, we have a back up QB that is a proven winner, who loves the team, and doesn’t mind playing second fiddle. And Saban is currently handling it perfectly.

You’ll never convince me that Tua will cost us a game because he didn’t get some extra time against teams we were up by thirty. I like the way Saban has handled this situation, GOAT.

Saban isn’t playing Jalen to prove anything to anybody. He’s doing what’s best for the team. Kid.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52633 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:12 pm to
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I don't know why it is odd


Probably because he is one of the bammers you are referring to
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14471 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:13 pm to
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You’ll never convince me that Tua will cost us a game because he didn’t get some extra time against teams we were up by thirty.

Here's what people suggesting this is an issue are missing - Even if Tua is in with us up 35 points, he's not going to be slinging the ball around. He's going to be turning around, handing it off, and maybe throwing dink passes. Saban doesn't run up the score, and letting Tua do it would only put him in harms way. Hell, an OM guy took a cheap shot at him last week in the second quarter. Don't think that wouldn't happen if he's airing it out with us up 35, 40 points in the second half.
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:15 pm to
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Unless he thinks he's going to get SIGNIFICANT playing time this year, it would be in his best interest to save a year of eligibility and use it at a school where he can start for two years.


What if he only wants one year to play somewhere else? What if he just wants to be at Bama no matter what realizing he will never be a NFL guy and is perfectly ok with being number two. I’d love to have backup Jalen for two years personally.

Especially if the D keeps up the way it is.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21669 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:23 pm to
Personally, I think Saban just kind of painted himself into a corner. He wanted Jalen to stay so he sold the whole QB competition as long as he could, which is fine, every coach does it. And, he really likes Jalen. But, now Jalen is still here and obviously shouldn't be the starter. So, Saban is trying to play them both and not cost us any wins. It obviously (to this point) hasn't been a typical starter/backup rotation. They've both gone in and out. Tua is clearly the guy, but Jalen has been getting in much earlier than any backup would have in the past, especially if we were breaking in a new starter. Don't give me the run out the clock stuff, since Jalen has come in throwing.

And look, I'm not really criticizing Saban or anyone else. I'm not sure I agree with how he's handled it, but it's not a huge deal. I think he's created some controversy within the fans and media that was needless, but I don't think it will cost us any wins or anything. It's just a curious situation that I'm interested in understanding. I can almost always understand what Saban is thinking with his actions. This one just has me puzzled and I like puzzles.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20471 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:28 pm to
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Are you suggesting Mac Jones is NOT capable of mop up duty? That logically follows your statement.


I'm clearly stating that you don't waste anything more than run out the clock snaps on your third string qb. No coach does that.

Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21669 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm clearly stating that you don't waste anything more than run out the clock snaps on your third string qb. No coach does that.



Well, since that's not what you stated, either clearly or not clearly, maybe you need to work on how you respond.

I said Mac was more than capable of mop up duty.

You replied if he were then he'd be the backup.

I'm not following your "clear" logic.

We could have 4 guys capable of being the backup. We could have one guy capable of being the backup and 9 guys not quite as good but very capable of handing a ball off in a blowout and completing the odd pass.






Just say you were a little emotional and misspoke when you responded.
Posted by 615tider
sidewalk in TN
Member since Oct 2012
3349 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 1:34 pm to
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Could be that Saban is giving Hurts this much playing time to keep him around till it's too late


Our QB situation has been strange ever since McCarron left.

2014
Blake Sims- it almost seemed insane that he was going to be the best option at a powerhouse school like Alabama. He was basically a utility infielder his first few years and only had 39 career passing attempts before starting his final season. With that being said, I LOVED me some Blake.

2015
Jake Coker- had transferred in from FSU after knowing he wouldn't beat Winston for the starting job. He couldn't beat out Sims(just stating a fact) his Junior year and starts his final season after only attempting 100 passes over the previous 3 seasons.

2016
Jalen Hurts- a true freshman beats out Barnett(a much higer ranked prospect from the previous class), Cornwell(a redshirt sophomore with arm talent) and Bateman and somehow leads us to the National Title game. All the while we lose multiple QBs via transfer.

2017
Jalen Hurts- returns as the starter but through various "message board sages and unnamed sources" we are told the new kid in town is a better passer and has a much higher ceiling. In the second half of the championship we see what "sources" were drooling over after Hurts is benched for Tua and he goes in dry on Kirby and co..

2018
Tua Tagovailoa/Jalen Hurts- after an offseason of rumors, speculations, talk of free agency and a half arse QB competition we find out that both guys will play. Hurts went 26-2 as a starter but Tua obviously has more talent and gets the nod to start.
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40829 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:32 pm to
Just a wierd situation, especially when one guy has separated so much from the others.

Obviously Saban is loyal to hurts and hurts must be well respected in the locker room. I honestly believe it's a team chemistry thing more than anything else. The games haven't been close, so Jalen gets to play and Saban knows there is no competition anymore. He plays him out of respect as long as he is with the program.

I think Saban rides it out hopes Mac gets enough playing time to be the backup next year when Jalen transfers. Or if Jalen sits sooner rather than later, he will move on. He will let Jalen make the decision. However, I highly doubt he will be here next year so Mac Jones doesn't think about transferring.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 3:35 pm
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
21958 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:48 pm to
Wonder how Tua feels about this bullshite?

He's probably a better human than me, but I would be pissed if I won the job in training camp, excelled on the field, and get to watch from the sidelines while the guy I beat out takes more snaps than I do...and constantly gets praised while the coach says jack shite about me.

Can't have two cocks in the yard. But at looks like Saban is going to try, and I, for the life of me, can't understand why.
Posted by Carlton
Good Cop/Bad Cop
Member since Feb 2016
11654 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:50 pm to
I'm still not sure why we are so concerned with Mac's playing time. It is hard for me to believe he will beat out Lia or Tyson for backup next year with what we have seen of thier abilities. If Minishaw would have come he would have been third string this year. I doubt we would have been clamouring to see him get snaps over him. Mac is a great kid but the idea that it is imperative we get him in game action seems like a reach. The odds of him ever playing a major role at Bama is slim.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 3:57 pm to
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I don't know why it is odd



Probably because he is one of the bammers you are referring t


huh? I was responding to his comment that he gets a kick out of watching fans "get the red face and start cussing and hollering"

I wasn't cussing and hollering before or after his comment. Matter of fact, I hadn't even commented at all before that.

Can you elaborate? Do you have examples?
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:04 pm to
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Tua is clearly the guy, but Jalen has been getting in much earlier than any backup would have in the past, especially if we were breaking in a new starter


To be fair, Jalen is not a typical back up, most backups are not 26-2 as a starter.


Also Tua is human, even he can get comfortable, especially winning every game like we are and scoring like we are. So knowing Jalen could come in at anytime keeps him on his toes. I think that’s what Sabans main goal is. Keep competition alive. He’s the best at it.

I don’t think Jalen will ever be better than Tua, but I do believe he has grown some this year in the passing game, and I truly believe playing them both like we are is best for the whole team, not just a corner Saban got painted into like you suggest.

Keeps Tua healthy.

Reminds Tua Coach will put Jalen in so play every down like it’s crucial.

They act like bros and I think seeing each other do good makes both of them genuinely happy(so rare these day)

If one gets hurt, the other is completely ready to keep on trucking.

Coaches have to prepare for both


All pluses if you ask me. So I really think you’re reading too much into the media and crazed fan perspective. I’m not one of those Saban is always right guys but I do believe he is handling this perfectly even those it’s not normal.
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:06 pm to
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Can't have two cocks in the yard.


You can if they are both comfortable with their size. Otherwise you got tiny dick syndrome taking over, which is what I believe most of you have.
Posted by Carlton
Good Cop/Bad Cop
Member since Feb 2016
11654 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:08 pm to
Tua loves Jalen, it is all good.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:09 pm to
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Reminds Tua Coach will put Jalen in so play every down like it’s crucial.


So the best quarterback should be concerned that the coach may pull him the next play.

That's ridiculous.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30013 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:09 pm to
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he hasnt arrived yet, but he is playing better


We've played 3 tomato cans on defense. And the offensive packages are ridiculously dumbed down for him. And he's still missing reads.
Posted by BamaBo7
Madison,MS
Member since Jan 2017
5686 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:16 pm to
And we have little dicks..lol

Can’t even respond.. I don’t even know how to reach that level of thinking..lol
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 4:24 pm
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:16 pm to
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So the best quarterback should be concerned that the coach may pull him the next play. That's ridiculous.


If he keeps playing like he is then he won’t have to worry about it. I think that’s the point in competition. If everyone is soooooo sure Tua is way better than why are y’all concerned Tua will lose the starting job? It’s baffling.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 9/21/18 at 4:17 pm to
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Can’t even respond.. I don’t even know how to reach that level of thinking..lol


I know that's right. That's the kind of goofy shite that John Doe talks about in his videos.
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