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re: Morning after thoughts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:50 am to UASports23
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:50 am to UASports23
Bottom line, bad OL play killed us. It would not have mattered a lot who was playing QB. From stupid substitution penalties to false starts to terrible snaps to repeated lookout blocks, they got abused.
Michigan did an outstanding job of planning, give them credit. They did not believe they could just line up and run us over, and they were right. They attacked us by isolating our LB's on Corum when they had to have it, and it worked.
It wasn't so much that we got out physicalled as we got out schemed. All that motion and eye candy had us thinking instead of playing. All the stunts and blitzes confused the hell out of our OL along with the zone behind it.
Saban and the staff will have to look at this one, take a long hard look at it, and know that they blew it. From top to bottom this was a game that could have been won, and wasn't.
Michigan did an outstanding job of planning, give them credit. They did not believe they could just line up and run us over, and they were right. They attacked us by isolating our LB's on Corum when they had to have it, and it worked.
It wasn't so much that we got out physicalled as we got out schemed. All that motion and eye candy had us thinking instead of playing. All the stunts and blitzes confused the hell out of our OL along with the zone behind it.
Saban and the staff will have to look at this one, take a long hard look at it, and know that they blew it. From top to bottom this was a game that could have been won, and wasn't.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 7:52 am
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:03 am to Allthatfades
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Whipped our asses in the trenches
That's the bottom line. Not much more needs to be said. I don't know if it was scheme or just want to or ability, but that's what happened. Their QB stayed clean for the most part and ours was under duress from the first snap.
Milroe obviously didn't play good, but I don't know what QB we've had that would have with the way they were getting pressure. We didn't have a good enough counter punch in our playcalling to bail us out.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 8:06 am
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:05 am to bamabenny
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Lawson is an absolute liability in coverage and they knew it. They attacked that matchup a lot.
Looked like they went after Jihad more to me.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:07 am to FoTownBam
All the ILB were bad, which was kind of a constant this year. Lawson was out of place multiple times, Campbell completely lost Corum on the first TD. Marshall misfit on the OT touchdown run and that's all it took for Corum to be inside the 5-yard line. Our ILB were a liability this year. I hope they all get a lot better before next season.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:09 am to Bham Bammer
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We didn't have a good enough counter punch in our playcalling to bail us out.
We didn’t do anything in that first half to counter their pressure. No end arounds, screens, etc. It was either slow developing drop back passes or runs up the gut. Mindblowing how our offense came out with zero gameplan.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:10 am to Allthatfades
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6. Still unsure about Reese. I just don’t think he knows what to do with Milroe. I keep hearing from people that watch the all 22 that the throws are there and people are running free, so idk.
The last play call was shite though. I don’t care about the snap, a seam, etc. Everyone and their mother knew what was coming.
The last play was a terrible call. Like you mentioned, everyone knew what was coming... which would have created a fantastic opportunity for a fake QB run, a sweep, a pop-pass, etc. ANYTHING to allow the UM defense to key on Milroe and make them pay for it.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:11 am to YStar
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That last play was a bad play call. Saban even admitted it.
Can you paste the quote by Saban in which he called it a bad play?
If I remember correctly he said something like….
We had the play we wanted to start and a right look, then we called another play and had a bad look. Then we called a third play and it didn’t work and bc it didn’t work folks will call it a bad play.
I don’t think that Saban called it a bad playcall and I didn’t think he threw Rees under the bus. Just said bc it didn’t work people would call it a bad play call
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:12 am to UASports23
He said something like, "it was a bad play because it didn't work" which I took to mean there was nothing wrong with the call itself but we didn't execute it.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:14 am to Bham Bammer
Exactly.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:15 am to YStar
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I get yall hate him.
No hate just struggle to understand why a defender coming straight at you he cannot see it because he locks in where he wants to go for the pass. Or why he cannot presnap identify that the defense is getting ready to blitz. Why does he hold off on the getting rid of the ball?
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I get yall hate running QBs
Quite the contrary. Everyone would love to see a running QB that is effective. The frustrating part with Milroe he has that skill set but gets sacked for more negative yards than he gains.
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However we know his shortcomings, so why can't our OC run consist gameplan to accentuate his strengths?
The issue is what are his strengths? He has no vision, no pocket presence, is not very evasive, seems easy to take down for his size a lot of the times, and still lacks the ability to consistently throw short to medium range throws. He also forces the ball into pressure while never looking for his second or third option.
There was one play we needed a first down and instead of keeping it he dumps it off to the RB who got tackled immediately. I am pretty confident if he would of held onto the ball he would got the yards needed. He can not anticipate or adapt to any situation on the field once the play is live.
Maybe that is on the OC and QB coach, but I am not sure any game plan can be created for Milroe so that he has a successful game for 4 quarters.
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Why can't our center snap?
This baffles me because it was not something new. I remember one replay last night showed the ball being snapped awful.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:16 am to JIB
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Milroe is a 1st year starter and had a solid year. He made a lot of improvement as the year went on. Didn't play great against Michigan, but he didn't play like dog shite either.
He was 16-23 for 116 yards, no touchdowns, and a fumble. That is an absolutely horrible quarterback performance in modern college football. I disagree on his improvement as well. He showed flashes of improvement in two games, the Kentucky and LSU game, but other than that he made similar mistakes throughout the season and stretching back into last season. The team around him is 15-0 national champions with even John Parker Wilson at quarterback.
ETA: everyone pinning the last play on Rees needs to look at the threads showing that it was not called a run. That's not even on Milroe either, it was all McLaughlin.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 8:18 am
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:20 am to FairhopeTider
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Mindblowing how our offense came out with zero gameplan.
This is why I am so frustrated with this team. It looked like we just took two weeks off after the SEC Championship and rolled into Pasadena saying frick it..
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:26 am to GooseSix
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This is why I am so frustrated with this team. It looked like we just took two weeks off after the SEC Championship and rolled into Pasadena saying frick it..
Not sure why anyone is surprised as our team has payed like this on offense with lack of execution the whole season.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:29 am to CrimsonCrusade
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with even John Parker Wilson at quarterback.
JPW would have gotten murdered last night, after he threw two interceptions and fumbled twice. JPW was a turnover machine. Let us remember things accurately.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:30 am to CrimsonCrusade
quote:Jeez
The team around him is 15-0 national champions with even John Parker Wilson at quarterback.
JPW is fumbling about 57 snaps this season and not doing shite with pressure in his face up the middle every other play.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:41 am to YStar
I don’t think anyone “hates” Milroe (I don’t) and it’s not “hate” to point out that (IMO) Milroe has limitations as a QB.
HOWEVER, it doesn’t help when the O line plays a horrible game, Rees has no answer and cannot fathom that there are some things Milroe can’t do.
Blocking from the TEs (other than Oustz) was just terrible all game. Dippre and Niblack were awful. Frankly, if they can’t/won’t improve, they should be replaced by the younger guys. Again, Oustz was fine.
HOWEVER, it doesn’t help when the O line plays a horrible game, Rees has no answer and cannot fathom that there are some things Milroe can’t do.
Blocking from the TEs (other than Oustz) was just terrible all game. Dippre and Niblack were awful. Frankly, if they can’t/won’t improve, they should be replaced by the younger guys. Again, Oustz was fine.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:45 am to TideWarrior
Saban no longer has the nads to truly have an open QB competition this spring. Milroe "won the locker room" so that's that. He can make a few "wow" plays, but the consistency isn't there. He's living off 4th and 31. He hasn't played a truly good game since maybe LSU. Auburn was terrible. SECCG average at best. Terrible yesterday. The only difference between early in the season and late season is that he cut down on turnovers...but still had a really bad fumble yesterday.
The best we can hope for is a new OL coach and real improvement there. The OL hasn't been good for at least 3 seasons.
The best we can hope for is a new OL coach and real improvement there. The OL hasn't been good for at least 3 seasons.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:49 am to TideWarrior
I’m a milroe fan but you’re right, what are his strengths? It should at the very least be running but he’s not a good running QB. He was clumsy tonight, tripped, slipped, slowing down for contact, never knows when to run. He said he doesn’t practice his running/scrambling and it shows, dude has no open field skills
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:52 am to East Coast Band
You’re delusional if you think McCarthy is better than milroe. McCarthy had an offensive coordinator who was creative and put him position to succeed.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:44 am to TideWarrior
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I agree on Reese. There is only so much you can do and yes, I question the final call, but right calls were made most of the night that if executed the last call would not have been needed to happen or OT. If the QB cannot execute the play by not being able to read the defense or look for his 2nd & 3rd options that were open many of the times not sure what any OC can do.
I disagree. We were starting to lean on them running the ball in the 4th, had a chance to put the game away, then just about completely stopped running the ball. Jase a damn good game, but when you have players like Miller and Haynes, you have to give them more than 5 combined carries. Haynes had 4 carries for 31 yards, and Miller 1 for 11. Our RBs ran for 6.4 ypc. All this talk about how they pushed around in the trenches when in reality we pushed them around in the run game, and that was our path to victory, but Reese tried to get cute I guess?
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