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Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:32 pm to Bear88
I'm excited to see all the young pieces next year. I fully expect some growing pains and for us to probably ease into it a little, but it's exciting to see the next wave and know that they are all uber talented. And it's cool to see them all kind of burst onto the scene together much like the last group did.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 12:42 pm to Bear88
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Lurkers from other schools
oh ok. I didn't realize rival fans could upvote or downvote if they were not registered on this board.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 2:53 pm to Lemonpuppy
I'll admit that I was totally 100% wrong about the QB situation going into last season. I really didn't think that Mac had it, but boy, once he was given the keys, he really took his game to the next level in the offseason.
A similar thing could certainly happen with Bryce Young, though admittedly it would've been better had Sarkisian stayed.
This offseason is so critical for Bryce Young. He's "the guy" now. There's not even really any competition. He and Bill O'Brien need to get to work asap, which I'm sure they will.
I think it's also interesting to point out that Saban has never won a natty with a dual-threat QB, so hopefully BY will be the first. We need to hope that he has substantially better injury luck than Tua had here. Ideally he'll be a pass-first dual-threat QB, and I'm sure bringing in an OC from the NFL will help with that mentality.
I think the success that Bryce Young has has as much to do with O'Brien as anything. I think part of the reason Saban brought BOB in early was to see how he gelled with BY.
You can see what a difference an OC makes with Joe Burrow at LSU. It's almost as important as the QB himself.
As far as Bryce Young is concerned, he has all of the physical tools to be an outstanding QB - perhaps even the best QB in the country. What we don't know too much about yet is his mentality, and intangibles. We don't know how quickly he can process college defenses, and make the right throw.
From what I saw in his limited action in 2020, he needs to settle down, and be less antsy. That will come with experience. But, he also made some pretty incredible throws.
Overall, I think we're in great hands, and have gotta be the odds-on favorite in 2021.
A similar thing could certainly happen with Bryce Young, though admittedly it would've been better had Sarkisian stayed.
This offseason is so critical for Bryce Young. He's "the guy" now. There's not even really any competition. He and Bill O'Brien need to get to work asap, which I'm sure they will.
I think it's also interesting to point out that Saban has never won a natty with a dual-threat QB, so hopefully BY will be the first. We need to hope that he has substantially better injury luck than Tua had here. Ideally he'll be a pass-first dual-threat QB, and I'm sure bringing in an OC from the NFL will help with that mentality.
I think the success that Bryce Young has has as much to do with O'Brien as anything. I think part of the reason Saban brought BOB in early was to see how he gelled with BY.
You can see what a difference an OC makes with Joe Burrow at LSU. It's almost as important as the QB himself.
As far as Bryce Young is concerned, he has all of the physical tools to be an outstanding QB - perhaps even the best QB in the country. What we don't know too much about yet is his mentality, and intangibles. We don't know how quickly he can process college defenses, and make the right throw.
From what I saw in his limited action in 2020, he needs to settle down, and be less antsy. That will come with experience. But, he also made some pretty incredible throws.
Overall, I think we're in great hands, and have gotta be the odds-on favorite in 2021.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:06 pm to CrimsonClover
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I think it's also interesting to point out that Saban has never won a natty with a dual-threat QB, so hopefully BY will be the first. We need to hope that he has substantially better injury luck than Tua had here. Ideally he'll be a pass-first dual-threat QB, and I'm sure bringing in an OC from the NFL will help with that mentality.
The Dual-Threat piece is misleading. Tua was listed as a dual threat and I don't think any of us considered him a running QB. Bryce is basically the same. He took over for JT Daniels from Mater Dei and we all know that kids is not a running QB. Bryce can scramble and run when necessary but you don't have a bunch of designed runs like you would for Jalen Hurts. There is nothing to worry about there. He passed for 4,528 yards — 348.3 per game — at a 71.9% clip with 58 touchdowns to six interceptions and rushed for 357 yards and 10 touchdowns his senior year so you don't have to be concerned about "pass first." He biggest atrribute is his passing accuracy.
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From what I saw in his limited action in 2020, he needs to settle down, and be less antsy. That will come with experience. But, he also made some pretty incredible throws.
This I totally disagree with. There was nothing antsy about him. He didn't rush, handled bad snaps with out panicking, didn't get rattled when the Oline missed assignments and when the pocket was clean made accurate throws. The last thing he looked is antsy to me. Most of his incompletions were drops or him accounting for guys in his face quickly.
I think another thing that is impressive about him is that he only had 2 three and outs last season both during the Arkansas game. A number of drives were run heavy but he also made 5 or 6 really nice 3rd down throws. Also prior to the Arkansas game the majority of his drives had multiple first downs and most made it to the red zone.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:08 pm to Carlton
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This I totally disagree with. There was nothing antsy about him. He didn't rush, handled bad snaps with out panicking, didn't get rattled when the Oline missed assignments and when the pocket was clean made accurate throws. The last thing he looked is antsy to me. Most of his incompletions were drops or him accounting for guys in his face quickly.
Thought so too. He basically faced pressure 4 seconds into every RPO read. He was anything but antsy, but most of his snaps forced him into moving all around.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:12 pm to CrimsonClover
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I think it's also interesting to point out that Saban has never won a natty with a dual-threat QB
Is Young really a huge dual threat? Tua was labeled a dual threat as a recruit too. It’s possible he’ll be closer to Tua’s style of play (passer that can run occasionally) rather than a big running QB like Hurts.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:52 pm to 1BamaRTR
I am probably less worried about Young or any of the new members of the offense than I am about all the coaching changes and the direction the offense will take.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 5:53 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Is Young really a huge dual threat? Tua was labeled a dual threat as a recruit too.
Yes.
Tua was a true dual threat but he played injured almost his entire career here.
Bryce Young is faster than Tua. He’s as fast as Trevor Lawrence with more agility and short area quickness.
He can/will make a bunch of plays with his legs.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 6:15 pm to CrimsonClover
I’m not saying he can’t run. I’m saying he’s not likely to be a big runner. Even in HS he averaged 270 yards per season. His rushing numbers are going to closer to Tua’s in 2018 rather then Hurts’s rushing numbers.
Plenty of NFL QBs are fairly athletic and can run but they don’t often run. I wouldn’t call them all dual threats. Just QBs that can run.
Plenty of NFL QBs are fairly athletic and can run but they don’t often run. I wouldn’t call them all dual threats. Just QBs that can run.
Posted on 2/7/21 at 11:16 pm to CrimsonClover
competition at qb this year: the son of Barker, great grandson of bear bryant (tyson), son of former nfl qb (george), an incoming highly rated dual threat qb (milroe), and bryson.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 2/8/21 at 4:04 pm to CrimsonClover
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This offseason is so critical for Bryce Young. He's "the guy" now. There's not even really any competition. He and Bill O'Brien need to get to work asap, which I'm sure they will.
I think it's also interesting to point out that Saban has never won a natty with a dual-threat QB, so hopefully BY will be the first. We need to hope that he has substantially better injury luck than Tua had here. Ideally he'll be a pass-first dual-threat QB, and I'm sure bringing in an OC from the NFL will help with that mentality.
Who was the QB in 2017? Both were considered dual-threats.
I watched a couple of Young's HS games, not just highlights, and he is not a dual-threat in the sense that I think you mean it. He is MUCH more like Tua than Jalen, in fact, IMO, he is not like Jalen at all.
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As far as Bryce Young is concerned, he has all of the physical tools to be an outstanding QB - perhaps even the best QB in the country. What we don't know too much about yet is his mentality, and intangibles. We don't know how quickly he can process college defenses, and make the right throw.
From what I saw in his limited action in 2020, he needs to settle down, and be less antsy. That will come with experience. But, he also made some pretty incredible throws.
I think we probably do know a good bit about Young's mentality and intangibles - and they are outstanding. He is very intelligent, very "football" humble, can read defenses well (his HS coach gave him more rein than any of his other well publicized pupils: Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Colt Brennan, J. T. Daniels, et al. Said Bryce had better control of the game than the others, allowed him to call some plays and change any play.), was a great leader in HS, is very game and field aware. He has it all but size and I think he has big hands to help with throwing the ball.
I guess the only thing we don't know is will the skills he showed in HS translate to high level college. All of his coaches think so. While I agree with several of your observations, IMO, your interpretation of his brief moments at Bama are off.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:51 am to PEEPO
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He looked completely lost every time he saw action last year, but considering he didn't have spring practice or anything and he was a freshman, I think that's understandable to a degree.
This is what it looked to like me as well. Completely overwhelmed when it came down to anything but a handoff. The speed of the game seemed way too fast for him in the pocket. Reminded me a lot of a Justin Fields (minus the size and strength) as a true freshman when asked to pass. Throws a beautiful ball but No ability to make pre snap reads or go through progressions. Looked the best when his primary receiver was wide open or he could scramble and the DB pulled off leaving receiver wide open.
Hopefully, unlike Fields, this was a result of not having a spring to learn the system and get used to the speed of the game rather than this being his ceiling and needing a “system “ in order to be successful.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:45 am to Donkeypunch
Be careful Donkey or the Crimson Sunshine Crew will downvote you for anything negative about Young. You must have been watching the same games that I did or the same TV station. Young looked the part of Ned in the 1st grade reader.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:55 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
No it’s because you guys don’t realize how stupid this is. Dude barely played all year yet you’re extrapolating that and say it indicates he might be good. He never got a chance to run a full offense nor did he have a spring. Plenty of great players did nothing their freshman year.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:26 am to 1BamaRTR
I don't think it matters at this point. I went back and broke down his drives earlier in the thread and addressed issues with the Oline missing assignments, handling bad snaps, getting immediate pressure in his face and wide receiver drops and people are still saying he looks antsy or jittery or quick to run. In almost all cases he made quality decisions, was extremely calm and moved the football. They are going to believe what they want to believe. He played very well based on the line and wide receiver performance and will likely continue to do so next season once he gets more reps in.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 9:40 am
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:31 am to 1BamaRTR
I've just been assuming this is some elaborate troll or big goof but I guess I was off...
Are there actually sizeable chunks of the fanbase who think that Paul Tyson might be the starting QB next season? What is the reasoning for this besides a few scattered practice reports? Is this one of those we are bored so we want to create some drama things?
I'm just confused.
Are there actually sizeable chunks of the fanbase who think that Paul Tyson might be the starting QB next season? What is the reasoning for this besides a few scattered practice reports? Is this one of those we are bored so we want to create some drama things?
I'm just confused.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Are there actually sizeable chunks of the fanbase who think that Paul Tyson might be the starting QB next season?
There is a sizeable chunk of the fanbase that still wants us to go back to how we played offense circa 2009, so it should come as no small surprise that there are also a ton of people who think Young is a bust because he wasn't able to come in and look like Tom Brady on the 3-5 passes he got to throw every week in mop up duty against SEC starters.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I've just been assuming this is some elaborate troll or big goof but I guess I was off...
In part it is people want who just want constant validation that they were right that Mac would win the job last season. Similar to the Tua/Jalen piece. It is just the way it goes around here. It is also a troll though
.This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:46 am to Lemonpuppy
I noticed that Bryce took a lot of sacks behind the 1st string O-Line. Not that he always held on to the ball too long every time, the protection broke down quickly on multiple occasions. My guess is that Mac was underrated presnap and the learning curb was for protections in Sark's offense was way too steep for a true freshman with no Spring practice
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