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re: Most attractive student bodies in the country
Posted by tattoo on 8/11/26 at 3:25 am to ReedRothchild
Not only is the MSU ranking ludicrous, I’m an Alabama fan and have had several MSU grads as friends and coworkers over the years and they’re super people.
It wouldn’t have mattered Alabama was going to win that game.
Arkansas has won 3 division titles, So Car 1.
Alabama’s 2020 SOS=9.72 SRS=30.26 obviously trumps LSU’s 2019 SOS=6.60, SRS=25.80. Wow, the Alabama schedule was almost 50% tougher.
It surprised me at first that Alabama was so far ahead in SOS & SRS, but it makes perfect sense when you realize that 2020 Alabama became the first team in history to beat 13 P5 teams, with no team coming within 2 TDs except Florida in SECC who tacked on a TD with ~2 min left and went for 2 to make it a 6 pt game. OTOH, LSU had 3 games within 1 score including 5 loss Texas and 4 loss AU @ home by 3 pts. 3-9 Vandy put up 38 on them. LSU played 3 non P5 teams, Alabama 0. Alabama became the only team in history to beat 11 SEC teams. And this was when the SEC was undisputedly the best conference in the country.
I had been surprised that Bill Connelly and other advanced metrics gurus considered Alabama the greatest of all time. But upon further review it seems obvious now. But frankly both offenses were a blast to watch. Smith, Jones, Waddle, Metchie, Najee Harris, Dickerson, Brian Robinson, et al. and Burrow, Chase, Jefferson , Helaire, et al.
Even the D wasn’t bad with Barmore, Mathis, Eboigbe, Christian Harris, Will Anderson, Pat Surtain, Jobe, Moore, Battle. All NFL starters at one time or another. Many still doing so. Maybe not quite Miami 2001 but not bad.
Crushed the playoff competition including a rested, undefeated, untied Ohio State team which they took to the woodshed. Put up 52 on them with Smith and Waddle not even playing most of the second half and Dickerson out the whole game. But OSU had D players out too.
No wonder Connelly says Alabama 2020 is the best. The numbers and schedule sure say so.
It surprised me at first that Alabama was so far ahead in SOS & SRS, but it makes perfect sense when you realize that 2020 Alabama became the first team in history to beat 13 P5 teams, with no team coming within 2 TDs except Florida in SECC who tacked on a TD with ~2 min left and went for 2 to make it a 6 pt game. OTOH, LSU had 3 games within 1 score including 5 loss Texas and 4 loss AU @ home by 3 pts. 3-9 Vandy put up 38 on them. LSU played 3 non P5 teams, Alabama 0. Alabama became the only team in history to beat 11 SEC teams. And this was when the SEC was undisputedly the best conference in the country.
I had been surprised that Bill Connelly and other advanced metrics gurus considered Alabama the greatest of all time. But upon further review it seems obvious now. But frankly both offenses were a blast to watch. Smith, Jones, Waddle, Metchie, Najee Harris, Dickerson, Brian Robinson, et al. and Burrow, Chase, Jefferson , Helaire, et al.
Even the D wasn’t bad with Barmore, Mathis, Eboigbe, Christian Harris, Will Anderson, Pat Surtain, Jobe, Moore, Battle. All NFL starters at one time or another. Many still doing so. Maybe not quite Miami 2001 but not bad.
Crushed the playoff competition including a rested, undefeated, untied Ohio State team which they took to the woodshed. Put up 52 on them with Smith and Waddle not even playing most of the second half and Dickerson out the whole game. But OSU had D players out too.
No wonder Connelly says Alabama 2020 is the best. The numbers and schedule sure say so.
re: Was Toby G robbed?
Posted by tattoo on 8/9/26 at 10:12 pm to Go Go Gata
No Toby G was not robbed. IMO, the NFL doesn’t prove it because G was a great college back but IMO, Ingram who was a better pro though not a great one, had a better college season because stats aren’t everything, just like NFL isn’t. The reality is we likely rarely see the truly “best” or “most outstanding player” win it. The Heisman is a media narrative/popularity/who’s on a top team/who has a good story/who is having a good maybe great season/who plays well in a big game/who plays a position that produces stats easily understood by the public and voters/etc. award. Just accept it for what it is.
Was Mark the most deserving? Who knows? Was he as deserving as anyone we can quantify? Probably. Was he the best player in the country? Probably not - just like most winners. It’s evident by the biased regional voting that it has little to do with merit.
Having said all of that, I’m fine with most winners, including Ingram in 2009.
Was Mark the most deserving? Who knows? Was he as deserving as anyone we can quantify? Probably. Was he the best player in the country? Probably not - just like most winners. It’s evident by the biased regional voting that it has little to do with merit.
Having said all of that, I’m fine with most winners, including Ingram in 2009.
re: My 100% honest, no bullshite, no bias SEC program all time rankings
Posted by tattoo on 8/8/26 at 6:53 pm to JoseyWalesLA
Traditional SEC programs:
1. Alabama
2. UGA/LSU (can’t decide, but they both passed UT in the past decade or so) (UGA 16 SECC, 3 NC, LSU 12 SECC, 4 NC)
4. UT 13 SECC, 2 NC
5. AU/UF (can’t decide, (AU bad from 1916- early 50s, top 12 nationally or so since, 8 SECC & 2 NCs, never really dominant even in the SEC except 3 years in the late 80s) (UF mediocre 1916-1989, top 10 or so nationally since, 8 SECC & 3 NC, dominated the SEC in the 90s, kept Bama under Stallings from dominating, had a great 3 year run in the mid aughts nationally til Saban arrived at Alabama, changed SEC offense under Spurrier and Meyer) I’ve almost talked myself into giving UF a slight edge because of offensive innovation. But not yet.
1. Alabama
2. UGA/LSU (can’t decide, but they both passed UT in the past decade or so) (UGA 16 SECC, 3 NC, LSU 12 SECC, 4 NC)
4. UT 13 SECC, 2 NC
5. AU/UF (can’t decide, (AU bad from 1916- early 50s, top 12 nationally or so since, 8 SECC & 2 NCs, never really dominant even in the SEC except 3 years in the late 80s) (UF mediocre 1916-1989, top 10 or so nationally since, 8 SECC & 3 NC, dominated the SEC in the 90s, kept Bama under Stallings from dominating, had a great 3 year run in the mid aughts nationally til Saban arrived at Alabama, changed SEC offense under Spurrier and Meyer) I’ve almost talked myself into giving UF a slight edge because of offensive innovation. But not yet.
re: My 100% honest, no bullshite, no bias SEC program all time rankings
Posted by tattoo on 8/8/26 at 6:10 pm to Tjtennispro
You and Tenn have both won 2.
UT: 1951, 1998
AU: 1957, 2010
UT: 1951, 1998
AU: 1957, 2010
ESPN was simply wrong.
Disagree completely. It was certainly much closer but IMO, for reasons I’ve already expressed in this thread, Alabama still was ahead of OU. I’ll just mention one point: Alabama has 5 NCs apart from Saban or Bryant. Just 2 behind you. Bryant puts them 4 ahead and Saban 10 ahead.
I didn’t mean that there was a chasm but NCs are the primary measure to me, assuming they were not confined to a short period of time which is not the case for Alabama and 17-7 in that dept is a big difference. Since Alabama and OU are within shouting distance of each other in most of the other categories, I consider 17-7 a big number for such a difficult achievement. I would be surprised if anyone wins 10 in the next 100 years. IMO, you are top 5 nationally. until ~10 years ago I would have put you ahead of OSU. I would say Alabama, ND/OSU, USC/OU. IMO, 2-5 can change a lot in the next 10 years but for the moment it seems really hard to unseat Alabama. They have 5 NCs, just 2 behind you, without Saban or Bryant, who both have 6 at Alabama. OU has a great history and a great will to win, it’s palpable.
On a non football related subject, I’ve been exposed to Oklahoma people, state not necessarily the University, a good bit in the last few years and have been incredibly impressed. If I were forced to move and had my choice I would move there or at least check it out. first.
On a non football related subject, I’ve been exposed to Oklahoma people, state not necessarily the University, a good bit in the last few years and have been incredibly impressed. If I were forced to move and had my choice I would move there or at least check it out. first.
re: My 100% honest, no bullshite, no bias SEC program all time rankings
Posted by tattoo on 8/8/26 at 2:30 am to AUTiger789
Sorry - you are correct.
re: If LSU 2019 was the greatest cfb team of all-time, who was the second best SEC team ever?
Posted by tattoo on 8/8/26 at 2:23 am to Tjtennispro
They didn’t even play for the NC. 2004 USC was mentioned. AU had the misfortune of having been totally dominated on national TV at home by USC in 2003. Nobody wanted to see that again. USC was even better in 2004, blasted OU. IMO, AU was probably better than OU.
AU struggled with a bad Alabama team that year. Behind at half and won by one score. Pulled out a 1 point win vs LSU at JH by the skin of your teeth. Beat a decent but mundane 3 loss VT team in your bowl game. It was a very dull unimpressive effort. It was probably hard to get up for that one for you knew you were shut out of the NC hunt - probably unfairly.
AU struggled with a bad Alabama team that year. Behind at half and won by one score. Pulled out a 1 point win vs LSU at JH by the skin of your teeth. Beat a decent but mundane 3 loss VT team in your bowl game. It was a very dull unimpressive effort. It was probably hard to get up for that one for you knew you were shut out of the NC hunt - probably unfairly.
The subject was expanded by some to include who was the greatest team of all time nationally, Others mentioned teams like that Neb team, 45 Army, 2001 Miami, maybe others.
IMO, Mal Moore and his selfless love for the University was a meaningful factor, among others, in Saban remaining at Alabama. Maybe put Alabama over the top when considering other options.
IMO, they’ve likely been “getting it”, but it takes time to change personnel. They were just trying to survive the first year, then they were able to more fully understand what they had vs what they needed, i.e., assess the SEC opposition. Finally, they had to acquire the desire solutions and let the bad fits depart.
We will likely know by midseason how well they’ve done. Everyone is excited but that’s usually the case for most. We just have to wait and see. Hopefully, minor or no injury impacts.
We will likely know by midseason how well they’ve done. Everyone is excited but that’s usually the case for most. We just have to wait and see. Hopefully, minor or no injury impacts.
re: Worst SEC state to live in
Posted by tattoo on 8/7/26 at 5:21 pm to captdalton
When I was a kid and a young man in the 60s & 70s l remember listening to the LSU game broadcasts at night after the Alabama which was usually played during the day in those years. And during the week occasionally listening to Hap ?Laude?, then Buddy D, et al. So LSU was my second favorite team.
And it seems they were the only SEC team besides Alabama, along with UTn, who would frequently play big time opponents from outside the conference. They seemed to be the only program beside Alabama that had much success outside the SEC. Even if they lost they would usually put forth a heroic effort and make the SEC proud. And Alabama owes them one big time for upsetting, I think it was Ark, after the 1965 season in the Cotton Bowl, enabling Alabama’s defeat of massive Nebraska in the Orange Bowl to be for the NC later that night. That was the first year that the AP concluded their poll after the bowls. LSU and Alabama were usually much smaller than the corn fed midwest, western or northern boys. In that Orange Bowl Alabama had 1 lineman at 205, the rest were under 200, while Neb averaged 240 or so. It just made their efforts seem more significant.
I also enjoyed my interactions as a teenager with the LSU fans in Legion Field in the 60s and early 70s. I’ve also had several friends from Louisiana whom I enjoyed thoroughly.
All of that to say this: this board has completely changed my attitude toward LSU football. I realize an anonymous internet message board is not the full reflection of a state but the mass of LSU jerks, WT, et al, on this board, it seems especially towards Alabama, is incredibly disappointing. Maybe since this is your board you feel like we’ve invaded your territory ??.
OTOH, though I’m not a great judge of this forum since I don’t visit often, but the OU posters I’ve seen here have exceeded all expectations. They are relatively humble and polite, especially for a message board and even more in light of their great gridiron accomplishments. Actually, IMO, most of the other schools are also commendable, including AU.
And it seems they were the only SEC team besides Alabama, along with UTn, who would frequently play big time opponents from outside the conference. They seemed to be the only program beside Alabama that had much success outside the SEC. Even if they lost they would usually put forth a heroic effort and make the SEC proud. And Alabama owes them one big time for upsetting, I think it was Ark, after the 1965 season in the Cotton Bowl, enabling Alabama’s defeat of massive Nebraska in the Orange Bowl to be for the NC later that night. That was the first year that the AP concluded their poll after the bowls. LSU and Alabama were usually much smaller than the corn fed midwest, western or northern boys. In that Orange Bowl Alabama had 1 lineman at 205, the rest were under 200, while Neb averaged 240 or so. It just made their efforts seem more significant.
I also enjoyed my interactions as a teenager with the LSU fans in Legion Field in the 60s and early 70s. I’ve also had several friends from Louisiana whom I enjoyed thoroughly.
All of that to say this: this board has completely changed my attitude toward LSU football. I realize an anonymous internet message board is not the full reflection of a state but the mass of LSU jerks, WT, et al, on this board, it seems especially towards Alabama, is incredibly disappointing. Maybe since this is your board you feel like we’ve invaded your territory ??.
OTOH, though I’m not a great judge of this forum since I don’t visit often, but the OU posters I’ve seen here have exceeded all expectations. They are relatively humble and polite, especially for a message board and even more in light of their great gridiron accomplishments. Actually, IMO, most of the other schools are also commendable, including AU.
re: If LSU 2019 was the greatest cfb team of all-time, who was the second best SEC team ever?
Posted by tattoo on 8/7/26 at 3:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
You were 8th in the 14 team SEC in scoring defense and 9th in total defense. IMO, that is the definition of “mediocre”. Actually mediocre is a bit generous since you were in the lower half of your conference, but at least the top of the lower half. That’s how you compared to your peers.
You did [embed]not[/embed] finish nationally in the top 25 in total defense or scoring defense. Not in 2019. But the national rankings are not as relevant as conference, since they played roughly the same teams.
You did [embed]not[/embed] finish nationally in the top 25 in total defense or scoring defense. Not in 2019. But the national rankings are not as relevant as conference, since they played roughly the same teams.
Even without Bryant and Saban, Alabama has 5 NCs. They would still be leading the old SEC and even with OU and UTx, they would be ahead of Texas and second, 2 behind OU.
College football didn’t start in 1936. It’s really vague but I count from 1916 when the Rose Bowl began being played continuously. It was the beginning of the nationalization of the game since teams from across the country played the top team from the West Coast. It was the only national bowl until around 1930.
Alabama was the first team from the “despised South (only 60 years after the end of the Civil War), who couldn’t compete. Some predicted a 50 point loss. Alabama won 20-19, finishing a 10-0 season. They did the same in 1926, 1930, 1934. The only blemish being a tie with Pop Warner’s previously undefeated and untied Stanford team, with whom Alabama shares the NC.
So, yes Alabama claims those legitimate NCs. 10-0 (9-0-1 in 26) and the winner of the only bowl in the country in the first 2 or 3 with only a couple or a few more by 1934.
When Alabama won at the end of the ‘25 season (technically Jan 1,1926), the entire South celebrated and had receptions for the conquering heroes as it travelled by train back home to Tuscaloosa. One stop was was in N.O., La. Even AU fans cheered as the game was tracked in theaters throughout Alabama, as they would receive updates via telegraph and convey the progress on some type of board in the theaters.
From 1925-1945 when Alabama and the rest of the country were available to go, Alabama was 4-1-1 vs the West Coast representative, the rest of the county was 4-11. The Rose Bowl limited the competition to only Big 10 teams beginning in 1946 and did not reopen until a little more than a half century later.
Alabama closed out the open era in 1945 with a resounding 34-14 (much worse than the score indicated) win vs USC, handing them their first Rose Bowl loss after having won their previous 9.
Yes, college football was alive and well prior to 1936 and Alabama was a big part of it and rightfully claims those NCs. Alabama finished 10-0 that year outscoring the opposition 430-80 and beating 4 ranked teams. They did not win the NC that year, nor do they claim it - Army had a greater team and won it.
Alabama was the first team from the “despised South (only 60 years after the end of the Civil War), who couldn’t compete. Some predicted a 50 point loss. Alabama won 20-19, finishing a 10-0 season. They did the same in 1926, 1930, 1934. The only blemish being a tie with Pop Warner’s previously undefeated and untied Stanford team, with whom Alabama shares the NC.
So, yes Alabama claims those legitimate NCs. 10-0 (9-0-1 in 26) and the winner of the only bowl in the country in the first 2 or 3 with only a couple or a few more by 1934.
When Alabama won at the end of the ‘25 season (technically Jan 1,1926), the entire South celebrated and had receptions for the conquering heroes as it travelled by train back home to Tuscaloosa. One stop was was in N.O., La. Even AU fans cheered as the game was tracked in theaters throughout Alabama, as they would receive updates via telegraph and convey the progress on some type of board in the theaters.
From 1925-1945 when Alabama and the rest of the country were available to go, Alabama was 4-1-1 vs the West Coast representative, the rest of the county was 4-11. The Rose Bowl limited the competition to only Big 10 teams beginning in 1946 and did not reopen until a little more than a half century later.
Alabama closed out the open era in 1945 with a resounding 34-14 (much worse than the score indicated) win vs USC, handing them their first Rose Bowl loss after having won their previous 9.
Yes, college football was alive and well prior to 1936 and Alabama was a big part of it and rightfully claims those NCs. Alabama finished 10-0 that year outscoring the opposition 430-80 and beating 4 ranked teams. They did not win the NC that year, nor do they claim it - Army had a greater team and won it.
Dickerson without the personal fouls or unsportsmanlike penalties. It possibly cost Alabama the LSU game in 2019. Liked his enthusiasm and toughness, hated his lack of discipline and costly penalties.
Like James Smith last year. Essentially gave FSU a turnover in the 4th with Alabama down by one score. It effectively ended the game. People act like Alabama was blown out and never had a chance. They were down 7 til that episode halfway thru the 4th which cost Alabama a shot to tie or win the game.
Like James Smith last year. Essentially gave FSU a turnover in the 4th with Alabama down by one score. It effectively ended the game. People act like Alabama was blown out and never had a chance. They were down 7 til that episode halfway thru the 4th which cost Alabama a shot to tie or win the game.
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