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re: *****head coach search thread*****

Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50233 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:48 pm to
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Late 40’s


I guess. All "young" coaches are going to be in their 40s.

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couple big wins in a so-so conference,


He's been a head coach for 28 total games. He beat 5 ranked teams last year alone.

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no D to speak of


He was an elite DC at Wisco and Lsu. BU's defense was ranked 13th in SP+ DEF last year and currently sits 12th.

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paid enough now to get bank-breaker contract with A&M


Do you have any idea how much he's paid. BU is private so they don't release that info. Sumlin was only paid like a million a year at UH. This would much much more expensive.

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no incentive to succeed.


This is just dumb. All coaches have an incentive to succeed.
Posted by Ag_16
Your moms house
Member since Oct 2019
2645 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:52 pm to
And since he’s a defensive guy he’d have no issue going to get an OC, maybe call up his old pal Joe Brady
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:14 pm to
I think you haven’t watched Baylor much, especially with the “No D to speak of” comment
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
3537 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:48 pm to
Aranda had one good year as a head coach (2021). He’s currently at 3-2 with losses to the only two ranked-teams he’s played. Estimates are that he’s making $4mil/yr.

He’s the epitome of writing a fat contract for Jimbo after a good year.

Give me a guy that doesn’t have a recognized name yet. That is late 30’s and has the energy and the incentive to create a name for himself.

Jimbo has the skin on the wall with a National Championship. Aranda has a Big 12 Championship. If they don’t make it here - they can just blame the program.
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
3537 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:09 pm to
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This is just dumb. All coaches have an incentive to succeed.


Then please enlighten me on why we are in Year 5, starting a ton of freshmen, no O Line, and getting owned by Mike Leach and the second best team in Mississippi.

What’s Jimbo’s downside for another “wait til next year”?
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50233 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:31 pm to
Having an incentive to and doing so are very different things.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 6:03 pm to
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Aranda had one good year as a head coach (2021). He’s currently at 3-2 with losses to the only two ranked-teams he’s played. Estimates are that he’s making $4mil/yr.


He’s been a head coach for two years
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That is late 30’s and has the energy and the incentive to create a name for himself.


So somebody with no good years?

On the chance we do hire a successful coach, should we fire them after they win something since they lost their incentive to succeed? These are not middle managers at some Fortune 500, almost all of the coaches at this level are competitive as hell and want to win. That’s not the issue
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 6:06 pm
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155424 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:28 pm to
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Aranda


You need to calm down
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
3537 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:33 am to
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That’s not the issue


I think you are right. We need to identify the issue.

I can’t comprehend how we have missed on every single coaching hire’s inability to get us to a championship game. Facility? Location? Lack of student support? Uniform color?

I think we need to know the problem before millions are thrown at another “solution”.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21788 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:34 am to
I would like a new HC. Hell, just promote Elijah and hire a bad-arse OC to complement his recruiting prowess. We could do that pretty easily
Posted by 85AustinAg
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2016
298 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:49 pm to
Our leverage is the $200 million we are set to spend on upgrading football facilities. It would be easy enough to delay or pull the plug on these upgrades.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:39 pm to
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Our leverage is the $200 million we are set to spend on upgrading football facilities. It would be easy enough to delay or pull the plug on these upgrades.


So in order to make him bend the knee we'll have to shoot ourselves in the face on needed renovations?

Yeah, that'll work out well for us.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:37 pm to
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Jimbo has pride.


Maybe too much pride. If you watch him in the pressers he does no not look or sound like a person who thinks he’s doing anything wrong. He keeps saying the problem is execution as if these are all suddenly new issues that have stricken the team. The truth is we have the same exact issues on offense this year that we’ve had every single year. At some point he’s got to stop blaming the players.
Posted by Ag_16
Your moms house
Member since Oct 2019
2645 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:13 pm to
As much criticism as Jimbo deserves for this season, I totally disagree with the narrative that Jimbo is blaming players. That bs that Joel Klatt said on Twitter about Jimbo blaming the kids is a dumb take. Given that Jimbo specifically said he has to coach better and it’s on him as the HC.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
2983 posts
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:56 pm to
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Maybe too much pride. If you watch him in the pressers he does no not look or sound like a person who thinks he’s doing anything wrong. He keeps saying the problem is execution as if these are all suddenly new issues that have stricken the team. The truth is we have the same exact issues on offense this year that we’ve had every single year. At some point he’s got to stop blaming the players.

He blames the coaches too.

But it doesn't matter what he says, only what he does. And what he has done so far is not good enough.
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
896 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:30 am to
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The truth is we have the same exact issues on offense this year that we’ve had every single year.


That's recency bias talking. Fisher had solid offenses in 2018 and 2020. They have never been this bad. The entire team is at fault, not just Fisher.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:19 am to
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That's recency bias talking. Fisher had solid offenses in 2018 and 2020. They have never been this bad. The entire team is at fault, not just Fisher.


Nope. While it hasn't been this bad it has never been anywhere near good enough relative to the talent that we have on this team. Hell, Jimbo's best offensive year was year 1 which theoretically should have been his worst year b/c everyone was still having to learn what is supposed to be a very complicated system.

(*these rankings exclude games vs FCS schools)

'22
total offense - #112
points per game - #105

'21
total offense - #70
points per game - #63

'20
total offense - #32
points per game - #33

'19
total offense - #86
points per game - #70

'18
total offense - #23
points per game - #22

LINK

Also, the point I was making was not that every Jimbo offense has been as bad as this one. It's the the same problems within the offense have never really gone away. Things like the play call always taking too long to get in, the team taking too long to get lined up causing them to waste time outs or worse to rush the play and not be properly set, constant pre snap penalties, massive difficultly getting big chunk plays, hardly any deep balls thrown, inability to play fast when needed...

At first these issues were chalked up to "Well they have to learn the system" then it went to "Well it must be Mond's fault" then it was "Calzada just doesn't have it we would have won with King" to "King is a turnover machine, we just need a steady hand" to "Ehh let's throw in the freshman so he can learn the system."

Again, at some point you can't blame the players anymore. He had one decent year and then everyone in the SEC got their film on A&M and basically gotten worse ever since. The guy is supposed to be an offensive mastermind yet the best offense for A&M he has put out was 5 years ago and it wasn't even in the top 20.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
50677 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:12 pm to
I saw SDS tweet this and thought all these schools just overpay ridiculously

Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15032 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:15 pm to
Hey we should be able to sue him for destruction of the A&M brand right?
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58039 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:15 pm to
I still can't get over giving him an extension and raise. Why? Because we made the Orange Bowl in a COVID year? What was the point? Who was trying to steal the guy? For all the talk about his system making his players NFL ready if it was that damn good why do NFL teams never try to hire him?
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 1:18 pm
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