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And here's Scarbo's take on Philon
Posted on 2/3/12 at 5:47 am
Posted on 2/3/12 at 5:47 am
You knew it was coming? The wannabe sports journalist basically cobbles together a bunch of quotes, asks some hard questions 
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It took this long to put this piece of shite article together?
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I really do not understand what the big deal is. They were both good to great players. They both had injuries. They were offered a greyshirt. They chose not to accept it. I think it has more to do with the kids not feeling "special" anymore than it does with feeling betrayed. It's probably the first time in their lives they've been told they are good but not the best.
, and collects a check. It took this long to put this piece of shite article together?
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I really do not understand what the big deal is. They were both good to great players. They both had injuries. They were offered a greyshirt. They chose not to accept it. I think it has more to do with the kids not feeling "special" anymore than it does with feeling betrayed. It's probably the first time in their lives they've been told they are good but not the best.
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:04 am to PurpleandGold Motown
LSU did it last year and folks were critical. I can see both sides, but believe the kid should have been told sooner so he would have had time to visit other schools
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:56 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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I really do not understand what the big deal is.
Seriously?
The great, all powerful Saban took a commitment from a kid to play football on scholarship at the school of his dreams. The kid was committed to the point of not even taking other recruiting visits! You do remember Saban's tirade after the Keenan Allen recruitment about what a commitment is? Once you've made your commitment, that's it. Recruiting process over.
If Alabama really didn't want the kid, why accept his commitment? If there was a possibility of grey shirting him, why not tell him upfront about it? Why discourage recruits from taking other visits if there is a possibility of grey shirting them?
The whole situation was handled poorly. The hypocracy of Saban is the most outrageous to those of us following this.
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:56 am to PurpleandGold Motown
We can make excuses and debate it, but the bottom line is this looks bad on Saban and UA. Saban is the best coach in the game, but he needs to change his tactics to prevent this in the future.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:58 am to PurpleandGold Motown
From Saban's quote near the end, it implies he did not offer to sign and gray shirt .
Posted on 2/3/12 at 6:59 am to allin2010
The timing with Philon was questionable, but I doubt it was as extreme as that morning. He was likely told over a month ago that it was a possibility. Then it was reiterated a week before signing day. Then, signing day came around, and he was in complete shock that it really happened.
I still don't see why a gray shirt was such a bad deal. Other than injured pride, it does not change how this year would have gone for him. Redshirt or grey shirt, he's still rehabbing and lifting for most of the year.
I still don't see why a gray shirt was such a bad deal. Other than injured pride, it does not change how this year would have gone for him. Redshirt or grey shirt, he's still rehabbing and lifting for most of the year.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 7:06 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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The timing with Philon was questionable, but I doubt it was as extreme as that morning. He was likely told over a month ago that it was a possibility. Then it was reiterated a week before signing day. Then, signing day came around, and he was in complete shock that it really happened.
I still don't see why a gray shirt was such a bad deal. Other than injured pride, it does not change how this year would have gone for him. Redshirt or grey shirt, he's still rehabbing and lifting for most of the year.
This is how I feel. It's a tough situation, but I think it's being blown out of proportion due to the Saban hate.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 7:22 am to Smash Mouth Tider
Your stock is rising in my book. A lot of people are deluding themselves on this.Posted on 2/3/12 at 7:26 am to PurpleandGold Motown
I for one don't agree with this situation at all...I think to some degree it is unethical regardless of who does it. But you can't villify a coach that does this type of thing when players are constantly doing it too. Players constantly commit and then change...Philon did...
The only way to stop this stuff is to make the kids sign when they committ...that way a coach won't take a commit from a recruit they don't want and a recruit won't commit to school he is not sure about.
The only way to stop this stuff is to make the kids sign when they committ...that way a coach won't take a commit from a recruit they don't want and a recruit won't commit to school he is not sure about.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 7:31 am to Aubie83
I don't know if I would call it unethical, but it's definitely a tough situation for all involved. I really felt bad for Philon. It seems he really wanted to be at Bama. Everything I have heard said he was given a grey shirt offer, but that might not be the case. Either way, with limited scholarships, you just cannot take a chance on a good (not yet great) player with a busted wheel and hope everything turns out for the best.
I don't like reducing the number of scholarships available. If anything, they should be increasing the number.
I don't like reducing the number of scholarships available. If anything, they should be increasing the number.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 7:41 am to Aubie83
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But you can't villify a coach that does this type of thing when players are constantly doing it too. Players constantly commit and then change...Philon did... The only way to stop this stuff is to make the kids sign when they committ...that way a coach won't take a commit from a recruit they don't want and a recruit won't commit to school he is not sure about.
The problem is the coaches are heavily pressuring the recruits to give a verbal commitment before signing day, to make their schools class look better, aiding recruiting, and to see who you have and dont. They are not allowed to sign prior is because of the NCAA who have rules on when certain parts of the recruiting process may occur and they want the recruits to go through its entirety.
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:04 am to NYCAuburn
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The problem is the coaches are heavily pressuring the recruits to give a verbal commitment before signing day, to make their schools class look better
I agree...but a commit from a recruit means nothing these days...they flip all the time...so why should the school/coach be villified when they don't know from one day to the next if a commit is going to stick...don't get me wrong I hate Saban as much as the next guy...but I'm sure we can find better things to criticize him about...
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:13 am to Aubie83
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but a commit from a recruit means nothing these days...they flip all the time
But they are 17 year old kids. You can't hold them to the same standards as you would a HC of a major university. Plus it's not like the kids are going around to schools begging to get an offer. A kid changing his mind about a school that asked him to go there is different than a grown man changing his mind about a kid he asked to play for him. Like many said, it's not as big of a deal if they are told well before. It still sucks but it's not as bad as telling them shortly before NSD.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:15 am to Aubie83
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but a commit from a recruit means nothing these days...they flip all the time
And I believe the main reason for this is they have several coaches in their ear saying they have to verbal commit. The majority of the verbals are made because of coach pressuring. If they werent pressured into making a commit they werent willing to keep, then there wouldnt be the last minute flips
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:21 am to Aubie83
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But you can't villify a coach that does this type of thing when players are constantly doing it too. Players constantly commit and then change.
Let's not forget who the adults are in these situations. Let's also not forget who's making MILLIONS in return for their play.
It also doesn't help Saban that he said this after the whole Keenan Allen deal:
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"I’m old-fashioned," Saban said. "I think a commitment is a commitment.
"We tell guys when they commit that we want the recruiting to be over or we really don’t want them to commit. If you’re not really ready to stop recruiting, then you aren’t really ready to commit because committing means you are coming to that school.
"I would rather you go visit other schools until you’re sure that this is what you want to do rather than making a commitment and then not feeling comfortable and wanting to go explore other opportunities.
"There is an old saying, ‘If you’re shopping, then we should shop.’ It shouldn’t be that way, but when guys make commitments and then don’t stick up for them, then you kind of get stuck a little bit because there may be other guys that you didn’t recruit, that you could have recruited, that could have actually taken their place.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:37 am to Aubie Spr96
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Let's not forget who the adults are in these situations. Let's also not forget who's making MILLIONS in return for their play.
And who can get fired the very next day if things do not go well.
If there were more scholarships, Philon would have his, but the NCAA has increased the relative value of a scholarship, and they plan to keep increasing it. When every scholarship counts, it is hard to justify giving one to someone who was low on the board and just tore his knee up.
How many schools do you think would offer Darius Philon a scholarship if it had to be GUARANTEED for four years? How many would be willing to take that risk?
The NCAA never passes a new rule to protect the kids. The NCAA passes rules to protect their interests. They are going to keep fricking around and kill college football.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:39 am to Smash Mouth Tider
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We can make excuses and debate it, but the bottom line is this looks bad on Saban and UA. Saban is the best coach in the game, but he needs to change his tactics to prevent this in the future.
:refreshing from a Bammer:
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:41 am to Smash Mouth Tider
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We can make excuses and debate it, but the bottom line is this looks bad on Saban and UA. Saban is the best coach in the game, but he needs to change his tactics to prevent this in the future.
Agreed. I don't think to many people are upset about the greyshirt offer. When you have scholarship limitations, it part of the game. What people have a problem with, is the manner in which this was handled by Saban and staff. If you think a kid has a possibility of needing a greyshirt, give him that offer up front. That did not happen here, as he was given the offer just weeks before NSD. That is what the problem is. greyshirting is not illegal or wrong. People have a problem with how this kid just got a big frick you from the school he's been committed too for a long time, just before NSD.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:43 am to NYCAuburn
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And I believe the main reason for this is they have several coaches in their ear saying they have to verbal commit. The majority of the verbals are made because of coach pressuring. If they werent pressured into making a commit they werent willing to keep, then there wouldnt be the last minute flips
While I understand this......Coaches have to get a "warm and fuzzy" because they are trying to fill needs. If you get an outstanding commit for DL, let's say, and you only need 1....you move on to other needs.
If this kid flips on Signing Day.....you are screwed.
This is why what Toshiro did hurt LSU and pissed off the coaches.
An early signing period would do wonders IMO
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:45 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Going to Arkansas and competing for a spot in their D-1 football progam was the woorst last minute alternative in the world in oeder to get away from grayshirting at Alabama i take it?
Man, such deep unconcious hatred for the Hogs in this.
Man, such deep unconcious hatred for the Hogs in this.
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