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re: And here's Scarbo's take on Philon
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:45 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:45 am to Aubie Spr96
I agree with all points made...and I certainly am not taking up for Saban...it's his fault people view him the way the do as far as recruiting players is concerned...but these kids flock to play for him knowing the risk...I'm pretty sure other coaches point this out to the recruits and their families...
Seems to me making a recruit sign in LOI when he commits would take this problem away...no commitment without a signature...
Seems to me making a recruit sign in LOI when he commits would take this problem away...no commitment without a signature...
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:46 am to alu
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Going to Arkansas and competing for a spot in their D-1 football progam was the woorst last minute alternative in the world in oeder to get away from grayshirting at Alabama i take it?
Man, such deep unconxious hatred for the Hogs in this.
you really aren't getting this are you?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:48 am to Aubie83
They should not be allowed to commit until a specific amount of time has passed since their visit and last coach contact. That way impulse and emotion would be blunted, but they should be able to sign once that period has passed and they are ready to commit.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:49 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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If you think a kid has a possibility of needing a greyshirt, give him that offer up front. That did not happen here, as he was given the offer just weeks before NSD.
I understand what you are trying to say here, and perception can be reality. National Signing Day is not the only day an athlete can sign. He could have extended his recruitment for as long as he liked.
He could have visited schools, taken a week off, discussed his options with trusted friends, etc. It's not like he was told, "Nope. Sorry. We got nothing for you." and had to quickly , within hours, come up with somewhere that would take him.
He could have extended his recruitment for as long as he wanted. There are plenty of schools that have open spots.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:50 am to HVAU
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They should not be allowed to commit until a specific amount of time has passed since their visit and last coach contact. That way impulse and emotion would be blunted, but they should be able to sign once that period has passed and they are ready to commit.
I agree with this...how many recruits top school is their last visit?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:51 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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He could have extended his recruitment for as long as he wanted. There are plenty of schools that have open spots.
Not at the Top schools.......
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:52 am to Aubie83
Probably a good bit, but often that is because they schedule a school they are real excited about last, or they shut their recruiting down after a commitment.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:53 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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He could have extended his recruitment for as long as he wanted. There are plenty of schools that have open spots
That would also gretaly increase the chance of not going to a school worthy of his talents because they all fill up too. Plain and simple, Bama used this kid. Why didn't they tell him 2 months ago this was a possibility? I'm sure the staff had some idea on how they may close out the class then. Just a week or two before signing day? come on, that is just wrong.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:56 am to lsusteve1
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Not at the Top schools.......
Define top.
Just looking over the top 15 on Scout, 7/15 did not take 25. Now, I am not digging down to see how that applies to the overall 85 cap, but if 7/15 in the top 15 theoretically had an open spot, it stands to reason that more teams in the top 25 or 50 have an open spot.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:00 am to Aubie Spr96
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"I’m old-fashioned," Saban said. "I think a commitment is a commitment.
"We tell guys when they commit that we want the recruiting to be over or we really don’t want them to commit. If you’re not really ready to stop recruiting, then you aren’t really ready to commit because committing means you are coming to that school.
"I would rather you go visit other schools until you’re sure that this is what you want to do rather than making a commitment and then not feeling comfortable and wanting to go explore other opportunities.
"There is an old saying, ‘If you’re shopping, then we should shop.’ It shouldn’t be that way, but when guys make commitments and then don’t stick up for them, then you kind of get stuck a little bit because there may be other guys that you didn’t recruit, that you could have recruited, that could have actually taken their place.
Wow. Missed this in the past. :smh:
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:02 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Plain and simple, Bama used this kid.
How did they use him? Seriously.
Even if he was only give a month or two weeks warning that there was a strong possibility that he would need to grey shirt, he should have been looking around. He should have notified schools that he was interested. If he didn't and chose to ignore the reality of his situation, that's kind of his fault.
Like I said, it's a shitty situation all around, but it's going to become more and more common.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:02 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
How did you miss that. Wasn't it right after Brent Calloway committed to us?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:03 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Maybe he took Saban's tirade about commitment to heart?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:07 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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You knew it was coming? The wannabe sports journalist basically cobbles together a bunch of quotes, asks some hard questions , and collects a check.
It took this long to put this piece of shite article together?
Saban is going to take flack for this...accept it and stop calling everyone who disagrees with your bama-centric point of view a hack.
Grow up.
No one is saying that it didn't make your team better...and if you think the ends justify the menas then more power to you.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:10 am to Aubie83
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I for one don't agree with this situation at all...I think to some degree it is unethical regardless of who does it. But you can't villify a coach that does this type of thing when players are constantly doing it too. Players constantly commit and then change...Philon did...
i don't diagree with this, but i also hold adults to a higher standard than kids.
And it's not uncommon for fans (myself included) to get pissed at a kid when he does this so why is it out of line for people to get pissed an adult when he does this?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:16 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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How did you miss that. Wasn't it right after Brent Calloway committed to us?
Didn't HoneyBear commit right before the last year's MNC game? I was out in Arizona, so that might be how I missed it. Who knows, but that quote just rings of hypocrisy.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:16 am to piggidyphish
Scarbinsky is a hack and has always been a hack. The only reason he is still at the Birmingham News is because he was the only one willing to take the paycut because he's a HACK! He's a piss poor writer. He's a mediocre journalist, and this latest article is an example of him mailing it in and being lazy.
I don't give a damn what the subject matter is, this article is an example of how you fill a word requirement without doing any work. You get a bunch of quotes. You intersperse said quotes with "thought-provoking" questions, and you call it day. If it took him more than 45 minutes to put this piece of shite together I would be shocked, and that includes his time on the phone getting a quote from the coach.
I have already stated that I wish things had turned out differently, but they didn't. That said, if you think Saban or Alabama is going to take a lot of heat or flack from this situation, you are fooling yourself. The kids found homes at other Div I schools in the SEC. It's over. No one will even be talking about it in a week. It's ancient history in a month.
Next year, there will be a whole new crop of 17-18 year old kids who believe they are the gods' gift to the game, and they won't pay any mind to what happened to poor ole Darius and Justin. It's just the way it is.
I don't give a damn what the subject matter is, this article is an example of how you fill a word requirement without doing any work. You get a bunch of quotes. You intersperse said quotes with "thought-provoking" questions, and you call it day. If it took him more than 45 minutes to put this piece of shite together I would be shocked, and that includes his time on the phone getting a quote from the coach.
I have already stated that I wish things had turned out differently, but they didn't. That said, if you think Saban or Alabama is going to take a lot of heat or flack from this situation, you are fooling yourself. The kids found homes at other Div I schools in the SEC. It's over. No one will even be talking about it in a week. It's ancient history in a month.
Next year, there will be a whole new crop of 17-18 year old kids who believe they are the gods' gift to the game, and they won't pay any mind to what happened to poor ole Darius and Justin. It's just the way it is.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:17 am to piggidyphish
Recruiting is a cut throat business. It shouldn't be, because you are dealing with millionaires influencing you impressionable minds, but that's the way it is.
On a side note, has everyone seen that video of him picking Alabama? That was super awkward. I am probably the last person to see it.
Regardless of how Saban is viewed, he will still have a better chance than most to pull in a top 5 class every single year. Wish we could have just one.
On a side note, has everyone seen that video of him picking Alabama? That was super awkward. I am probably the last person to see it.
Regardless of how Saban is viewed, he will still have a better chance than most to pull in a top 5 class every single year. Wish we could have just one.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:20 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Scarbinsky is a hack and has always been a hack. The only reason he is still at the Birmingham News is because he was the only one willing to take the paycut because he's a HACK! He's a piss poor writer. He's a mediocre journalist, and this latest article is an example of him mailing it in and being lazy.
Scarbo is a hack. Moon is a hack.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 9:23 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Agreed. I don't think to many people are upset about the greyshirt offer. When you have scholarship limitations, it part of the game. What people have a problem with, is the manner in which this was handled by Saban and staff. If you think a kid has a possibility of needing a greyshirt, give him that offer up front. That did not happen here, as he was given the offer just weeks before NSD. That is what the problem is. greyshirting is not illegal or wrong. People have a problem with how this kid just got a big frick you from the school he's been committed too for a long time, just before NSD.
I don't have any problem with Saban greyshirting, but the way it happened is what looks bad. These guys had full offers until they got hurt and didn't after. My main issues is waiting too late to go this route and using the "You need to take some time off to rehab anyway" to replace them with higher rated players when the numbers got tight close to NSD.
What gives it away is the fact they could rehab much better with some of the best trainers in the biz at UA.
I hope this is the last of this with Saban. JMO
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